Differences in English training in north India and south India

started by Seva 7 mnths ago

The command in the English language has nothing to do with differences between NI languages and SI languages, but it’s simply the result of initial exposure to English language at home and in school, whether in north India or south India. I had seen Tamilians (SIs), even in IIT, whose mother-tongue happened to be Tamil, spoke Tamil at home and had initial schooling in Tamil as the main language of instruction, and they used to speak and write English more or less like NIs who had Hindi as their main language of instruction in early schools and spoke Hindi etc. in stead of English at home. Moreover, a north Indian guy attending an English medium school from the beginning is usually as competent in English as a SI guy doing the same thing (going to the English medium school from the beginning).

 

Okay here is something of interest:  Pahari is my mother tongue (spoke only Pahari at home before going to school). In school, in grade 1 my education started in Hindi medium. Then school introduced Punjabi in grade 4 as the extra language. In grade 6, Sanskrit and English were taught for the first time. In other words, I was exposed to English alphabet and language (including the Roman script) for the first time in Gr. 6, whereas I was already familiar with Devanagari script (Hindi and Sanskrit) and Gurmukhi script (Punjabi) before that. Now let’s create the sequence for language learning in my case in north India (starting with my mother tongue) ---  Pahari (MT), Hindi (Gr. 1), Punjabi (Gr. 4), Sanskrit (Gr. 6), English (Gr. 6).

 

I wonder in what way will the order of English learning in south India (especially in Tamilnadu) be different from that in north India (as indicated above)?

 

-Seva

 

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  gowser posted Re:Differences in English training in north India and south India on 7 mnths ago

We used to do the south indian alphabet at school for fun which was ye be ce de ...etc and we had a couple of teachers from the south whose pronounciation was bad.  But we also had the north indian teachers with their is-station etc.  luckily none of these individuals were actually english teachers so it did not really matter and they just got made fun of.

 

 


  chanchal47 posted Re:Differences in English training in north India and south India on 7 mnths ago
I am trying to state my experience.
Being a Bengali and since I studied in Bengali Environment schools and and college, I spoke only Bengali while communicating with all be it in school or any college.
So up to from First to  class X or Metric, Bengali was 1st Langs.  English was introduced in Class III, Hindi In class V( It was to done to teach us about Devanagari, and not about learning Hindi) as a stepping stone to Sanskrit, which was introduced in Class seven. So in Class X I had Bengali as 1st Langs, English as 2nd Langs and Sanskrit as classical Indian Langs.
My sons who studied in Maharashtra had studied four langs English, Hindi, Marathi and Sanskrit!!!!!
 I was expose to the bombardment in English When I entered my college for graduation.
Obviously I was at sea for two months to understand the our professors blitzkrieg. All the time i was translating those flows of English sentences to Bengali in mind to understand the subject.

I still wonder Why I learned Sanskrit which had no bearing in future fields.

Chanchal



  drkchaudhry posted Re:Differences in English training in north India and south India on 7 mnths ago
There is absolutely no difference in english language in different regions of India. Only accent differs.
Dr K Chaudhry
  Job less fella posted Re:Differences in English training in north India and south India on 7 mnths ago
I agree,

bhasha ka ucchang vyakran sey mapa jata hai ,uccharan sey nahi :)


  carvaka posted Re:Differences in English training in north India and south India on 7 mnths ago
This makes sense. The differences I see between the English that Indian people speak and write are attributable to differences in exposure to and training in English, and natural linguistic abilities. Two people who have got similar levels of English exposure and training and are similarly proficient in their mother tongues tend show similar English proficiency, regardless of which language they speak at home. This is the reason we can count both NIs and SIs among the best Indian writers of English, notwithstanding the missing articles and misplaced apostrophes that people get picked on routinely here.

  deep purple posted One thing that US has taught me on 7 mnths ago
is that if an American speaks in broken Spanish, I should feel proud at his effort. Or if a hispanic speaks in broken English.

If an Indian polishes my shoes in India, I should treat him the same way as I treat an American doing it at the airport.

  Seva posted Re:One thing that US has taught me on 7 mnths ago
Good for you.
  deep purple posted Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
The reason why I call FF = Brit slave mentality.

People who are "superficial" in judging others/self, are often found to judge a person based on what they can speak or write purely in terms of punctuation/apostrophe usage. Not that they are not important, but as important as to how a human dresses in different cultures.

I have ABSOLUTELY NO doubt in my mind that there exists thousands of illiterates in this world who are better than me, let alone English professor FF.
  MaxEntropy_Man posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
this doesn't make any sense at all. you earn a living speaking and writing your former masters' language anyway! why don't you aspire to do it well? what's the point in using english, but insist that using it poorly somehow frees you from slavery?

  Job less fella posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
may be you have misunderstood FF,his annotations might be strictly academic.And he must not be judging people at all.

  balakdas posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago

gertrude stein would have punished brit slaves with sentences like:
               
                "anything that is why then may give them a share. of feeling like it."

 

  deep purple posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
Well, I watched TZP - a dyslexic child - and I wondered what will happen to a man like FF/Billo who are obsessed with correct grammar if they had a child like that?

But then, none of such "superficials" are capable to produce an Einstein.
  balakdas posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
talking about superficials, there are so many of them here.  someone got irritated because i analyze poems. someone got irritated because i offered myself to jaijui in a poem. lol :))
  deep purple posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
Well, we all are superficials. Different people. Different areas. Different degree.

  RS-K posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
and copy other people's ideas of poems, titles and icons. 
  balakdas posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
lol.  all in jest. but the poem is original. at least, as far as i know.  





  Seva posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
Let's forget FF, because people come in all forms and with many types of personalities, and enjoy the following song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZAnqgbMrfY
  deep purple posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
Hahahaha :)

Well, Kishan Kumar is my neighbor in India.
  Seva posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
who is Kishan Kumar?
  deep purple posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
Gulshan Kumar's bro - T-Series owner.
  Seva posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
Pretty good - T-Series has one of the best collections in music.

  RS-K posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
DP. We now need a code word for the crooner. suggest one.
  deep purple posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
crooner? croonin to who?
  RS-K posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
shhh shhh
  deep purple posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
I dont have even ONE secret in my life. 

Wrong number 
  RS-K posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
arre I can't type his name because the search engines will pick it up. Whose videos irritate you.
  balakdas posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
bb = bharat bhushan 
sounds good.
  deep purple posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
But why hide from him?

If he is important enough to have a secret word, why not have 1st hand conversations with him?

Nah. If you decide on a code word, I will make sure that I reply with his name in subject line 
  RS-K posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
aaah. All right no more videos of him  Will miss it for sure. Besides, if it is someone, QB should talk to him.
  deep purple posted Drkchaudhary on 7 mnths ago
You have NOT experienced a human's potential to judge others - in most bitter terms - till you have spent enuff time on CH.

Please be prepared for ridicule if you do visit Sulekha again.

HTH.

PS: For starters, I think you should stop recording sitting on a revolving chair.
  RS-K posted Re:Drkchaudhary on 7 mnths ago



  balakdas posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
he's far too smart for any of us. trust me.
  RS-K posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago

well. didn't someone suggest today that it is you? But how did you guess the song he is going to sing? Does he put the song in his own site before it comes on youtube?

  balakdas posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
well, he mentioned  he's uploading it. and then it was there.  he also asked me to update my profile as he doesn't know where westford is. if he's one of the known cher's ,  he wouldn't have asked me that question.




  RS-K posted Re:Content or Meaning is always higher than vocabulary on 7 mnths ago
ok. bharat bhushan it is.














  Silhouette posted Re:Differences in English training in north India and south India on 7 mnths ago
Q: Is pahari an actual language or symbolic for ...? I thought pahari was used in reference to people who live in the mountains (and sang songs about the wadiya holding a mutki :)). The paharis i've known spoke gadwali or dogri.
  Job less fella posted Re:Differences in English training in north India and south India on 7 mnths ago
actually pahari can mean diffrent things dependin on the situation.

in the musical context
 pahari or pahari dhun refers to the folk music or superior musical symphony derived from that folk music.

in linguistics

pahari --can be used to group by the diffrent dialects spoken int he foot hills of himalaya.