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Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail?

started by Seva 5 mnths ago

 

If I remember correctly from news in the media at that time, Bansi Lal (then CM of Haryana) proposed that Telugu would be taught as 2nd language in Haryana schools leading to future Haryanavis knowing at least two Indian languages, one from North India (Hindi) and the other from South India (Telugu). It was not something planned at the expense of any other language, Punjabi and English for example. The state government was still interested in teaching English etc. in schools, in addition to Telugu as state’s 2nd language.

 

Haryana Govt. also had the plans, if I remember correctly, to have a special ‘sister states’ relationship between Haryana and Andhra, on the model of sister-cities. Unfortunately, it seems to have been only one-sided ‘love affair’, mainly on the part of Haryana, with little enthusiasm and response from Andhra. Andhra politicians probably did not see much benefit from such cozy relationship with a remote northern state, and might have thought that if Andhras were going to put any effort in north India, it might be better to do with Delhi, for a bigger piece of pie, rather than Haryana or Chandigarh, having little to offer. Needless to say, this one-sided undertaking on the part of Haryanavis, with respect to Andhra and Telugu, was not going to succeed, and that’s what happened.  

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  carvaka posted Most hilarious post of the language wars! on 5 mnths ago
This one has me in splits. The steadfast refusal to see the politics behind the moves of the politician (which PS and MF have pointed out), and the "blame it on the wrong party" goal of your piece are very entertaining. Yes, Telugus are responsible for the failure of this sincere, heart-felt experiment conducted by Bansi Lal. I am sure he learnt Telugu himself, as a true leader of the Haryanvi people in their vision for sisterhood with Andhra. Thank you for bringing in some much-needed hilarity into this debate!
  Ponniyin Selvan posted Re:Most hilarious post of the language wars! on 5 mnths ago


I'm thinking whose posts are fun. Seva's or Rashmun's.

One person imagines the "sisterhood" of Andhra and Haryana and the other dreams up small towns in Tamil nadu where the shop keepers converse in Hindi and people line up to watch Hindi movie in some unknown theatre.
  Seva posted Re:Most hilarious post of the language wars! on 5 mnths ago

One person imagines the "sisterhood" of Andhra and Haryana 

>>> It was according to Haryana Govt. (Bansi Lal) at that time, as indicated in the news-media.

 

 

 
  carvaka posted Re:Most hilarious post of the language wars! on 5 mnths ago
Seva, you are the ideal citizen any neta could ask for. Such unquestioning faith in the noble motives of netas is hard to find anywhere in the world. When human cloning becomes practical, there will be bills in parliament to make 1 billion clones of you (with some gender adjustments as needed) to replace irritatingly-independent-thinking -and-sceptical Indian population*. I have a career path for you: first you can read the newspaper out loud to me starting next week, and after a couple of months of that experience, you can become a newsreader for Doordarshan and read out stuff about the tear-inducingly-altruistic-and-beautiful visions and motives of our politicians.

* Some people on this board will then promptly get to work cloning you to replace themselves thinking it's the law, before the bill gets through Parliament or gets signed by the President, but that's another story.



  Seva posted Re:Most hilarious post of the language wars! on 5 mnths ago

You can believe in anything - it's like 'fil in love-longinge'.


  Amerasian posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
Kudos to Bansi Lal for attempting to introduce an SI language as the 2nd language. Too bad he didn't get cooperation. Just so you know, there is a school in New Delhi that caters to gults. In this school, students learn all the subjects in english and take telugu as their 2nd language. I was told that this school has been in existence for a long time.
  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago

Real kudos to Bansi Lal, indeed!  His was a great nationalistic and linguistic vision.
  Ponniyin Selvan posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
I don't believe this. He probably ignored Punjabi to slight the Sikhs.
  mf02 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
I wouldn't give much credence to Bansi Lal either. I don't know if he did this Telugu experiement in his first tenure or the second one! But he was an eccentric senile man in his second tenure when he banned alcohol from the state and caused thousands of crores of damage to the exchequer..he was much more effective in his first term when he developed Faridabad and other adjoining areas around Delhi...
  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago

I wouldn't give much credence to Bansi Lal either. 

>>> Must be hard for you to give credit to anyone's good thought and effort.
  mf02 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
I think you missed the part of my post where I said that he did great work in developing Haryana during his first tenure..in fact, I would call him the creator of modern Haryana..it's just that he was hell-bent on undoing what he did during his first term...
  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
This language idea was great and indicates him to be a person immense vision; but unfortunately he did not get much support from anywhere.  It was a huge project, the complexities of which he had not realized beforehand.
  mf02 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
Yes, that's the point I was trying to make that he was so far removed from the realities, almost a senile and eccentric old man..if he had any idea of the complexity or needlessness of  that project, he would not have even thought about it..I am glad that he did not get support for that project in a state where there are more pressing needs...
  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
 that's the point I was trying to make that he was so far removed from the realities, almost a senile and eccentric old man

>>> That's a wrong way of putting it - calling someone old, eccentric and senile for proposing and trying to implement a great project. He probably did not have enough talent around him and lacked outside help to carry out this great project successfully. But it was really great on his part to have considered it anyway even though it failed.

  mf02 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
That's a wrong way of putting it - calling someone old, eccentric and senile for proposing and trying to implement a great project. 

No, I would have called him the same regardless of if he came up with this project or not. In fact, I had not even heard about it till yesterday...as I have already mentioned in my posts, there are other reasons for calling him that and those are not just my words!

EOD
  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago

You may other reasons to not like him, but to undermine his Telugu / Andhra idea is not right. 
  mf02 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
Haha! Okay, I will give that to  you since you seem to be in so much love with his Telugu idea..
  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
you'll never win man. not with seva. he's got a whole different thought process going on.
  mf02 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
I know! That's why I gave up since I do not want to take up Carvaka's position :-)
  carvaka posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
Hahaha. The part Seva is in love with is his explanation for the failure of this so-called experiment. You and I can easily guess the politics behind this -- to piss off the Sikhs whose faith depends on people being able to read the book that is their Guru, which is in Punjabi. But it takes someone of the caliber of Seva to come up with "this experiment failed because of the Telugus."
  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago

Others must be nervous too, including in central govt. and other states - this idea from Hrayana must have been seen in competition with central language policy and, if successful, could have put pressure on other states (to introduce similar language policies).

 

 


  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
btw, seen desi chatter around lately? dr doom and end of world certainly made predictions that havent come to fruition. since he said tech is dead, the four horsemen of tech aka GOOG, RIMM, AAPL have bounced about 50% (each from their lows).
  mf02 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago

No, I havn't ! Must be busy licking his wounds if he shorted those stocks ;-) He will be back once some of his predictions come true..
  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
I respect his knowledge...but he's too gloomy and willing to pull the plug on human ingenuity too quick. there's a lot of gloom-and-doom books these days in the market as well.
  mf02 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
Agreed! He probably knows more about the stock markets than any one else on this board...his Disney predictions have been proven if nothing else..
  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
he made some timely calls on JPY and Swiss franc as well. JPY is still running....
















  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
I don't believe this. He probably ignored Punjabi to slight the Sikhs.

>>>  I am not surprised - you seem like a person to whom a glass being half empty is more  believable than being half full.
  Ponniyin Selvan posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
Right.

If you read the news link that you yourself posted, it talks about how the Sikhs wanted Punjabi to be recognised in Haryana.

Think what would make more sense, teaching Punjabi that is spoken by a considerable number of people in the state or teaching Telugu in Haryana.
  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago

I already spelled his vision on Andhra and Telugu. If he really  had thought about using this thing against Punjabis, he could have easily made English as the 2nd language, or perhaps considered other easier / familiar NI languages for that role (Gujarati or Bengali).
  carvaka posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
I am curious: did Bansi Lal learn Telugu himself? If not, on what basis did he pick it? A whole state picking up a new language has to have some logical, rational basis... did he just go "inky pinky ponky po" with the rest of India's languages?
  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
Follow the thread. It was not a question of Bansi Lal himself knowing or not knowing Telugu.
  carvaka posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
Translation to English: Bansi Lal did not know Telugu. Seva does not know how he picked Telugu over other languages.
  Truthbetold3 posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
Looks like CH is running out of gas on language issue. If the main discussion is between Seva and Carvaka,  we should be be nearing the end of this discussion. (or it will become a discussion of some other topic, may be Seva's different characteristics).

I am happy no body got killed in the language discussion. 

  MaxEntropy_Man posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago
>>> easy choice. tamil is out for obvious political reasons, those bloody troublemakers, why should we learn their language? malayalam is also out because it kinda sounds too close to tamil, and that bloody karunakaran had the temerity to address letters to our beloved PM in malayalam; the gall i say!  so then it's a toss up between telugu and kannada. more of these andhra folks seem receptive to hindi, so telugu it is.
  Seva posted Re:Why did Haryana’s Telugu experiment fail? on 5 mnths ago

It was a brief news story and I have no clue why Telugu (and not other SI language) was picked as the 2nd language. But it could also be based on Haryana's business / financial / development considerations (there was a talk of that in the article) in making Andhra its sister-city --  to expand mutual relations and development between these two states.