Sad Plights of Hindus in Kerala
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LittleFella posted Re:Sad Plights of Hindus in Kerala - Temple vandalized in TVM, Kerala on 10 mnths agoHere is a news related to vandalism - a Hindu temple vandalised in Tiruvananthapuram - the news has been blacked out
by our p-secular media.
Temples vandalized in Thiruvananthapuram
11/24/2007 2:40:31 PM HK
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Update: Police arrested a Christian fanatic in connection with the attack, which was initially suspected as the handiwork of Jihadis.
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THIRUVANANTHAPURAM : The Kuratoor Sree Dharmasastha temple & Perumanchira Maha Vishnu temples attacked by Islamic fundamentalists yesterday night.
The well armed group of Islamic fundamentalists entered the temple premises late night and destroyed idols and temple properties. The Islamic thugs destroyed the Navagraha idol, Naga idol and number of other idols in Kuratoor Dharmasastha temple. The thugs entered the Sreekovil of Perumanchira Maha Vishnu temple and thrown away the Siva idol and destroyed Naga Prethishta & other idols.
The VHP is observing a harthal in Kuratoor and Perumachira area today. Hundreds of VHP activists staged protest marches today against the attack on temples.
Irrespective of political background thousands of local Hindu devotees including woman and children came together and protests are still continuing in these areas. Hindu devotees are formed an action council and decided to intensify their protests till the Jihadis are arrested.
This happened in Kerala, not in Kashmir!
Jajith,
You cannot stop whatever destiny has in store for the people.
Trying to be impartial, many Keralites whom I came across take pride in being the most secular people in India. I knew 3 roommates who are a Hindu, a Christian and a Muslim. Many Keralites who knew the 3 of them used to tell everyone around how great Kerala was. In reality, if everyone stays that way without compromising anyone's way of life it is a healthy sign.
But your worries will become true because there is no Hindu voice in Kerala. Majority of the Keralite Hindus will come back to your note saying that it should be ignored. Their common statement will be, "What heck if a temple is not there?". People will pay a deaf ear to any serious analysis.
In my research on the Jewish society in Europe in the World War II, I understood that their society was also a divided and "don't care attitude" type of society till Hitler committed a genocide. Now Jewish society is the most united one in the world.
May be Hindu society is also heading towards such a disaster. None of us can exactly predict what will happen.
Typical age-old, traditional Hindu thinking.
>>I knew 3 roommates who are a Hindu, a Christian and a Muslim. Many Keralites who knew the 3 of them used to tell everyone around how great Kerala was. In reality, if everyone stays that way without compromising anyone's way of life it is a healthy sign.
Individual behavior should not be extended to group and community behavior. Even Osama, Saddam, and Maulana Masood Azhar looked so smiling and friendly on TV.
>>May be Hindu society is also heading towards such a disaster. None of us can exactly predict what will happen.
Hindus worry about their offsprings and descendents - their purity, well-being, wealth, etc... but don;t think for a minute what if there comes a time when the Hindu minority is treated like others in the middle east?
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Now it is Kerala, tomorrow some other state and after 30 more years entire India. The wipe out of Hindus is a mathematical certainty. One can judge this fact just by looking at the world map in different ages (say 6th century BC, 6th century AD, 11th century AD, 19th century AD). In 6th century BC, current day Afghanistan and Pakistan also had Hindus. Cambodia has the largest Vishnu temple in the world at Angkor Vat. Without looking at the reasons, just plotting a graph with YEARS on X-axis and AREAS WITH HINDU POPULATION (in Sq Hectares) on Y-axis will tell you what has happened till date. Then in the same graph, extrapolate for future years till you reach a zero. That will give you the year when no land will be there for Hindus anywhere in the world. With land, genocides also will happen to erase the people as well.
I am not joking. The obvious will happen. You have taken lot of pain in collecting such good details, but there is no point in all this. No one is going to care about it. Even the Kerala Hindus will think that you are a fundamentalist and a Hindutva terrorist influenced by the VHP or the RSS.
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You don't have to look at history and maps. Just map your own town over the last 20 years in your mind. How one street, one area has slowly been taken over by the Minarities. The streets become areas (Agraharams), areas become cities (Mallapuram in Kerala), cities become regions (Assam and Jammu, Ladak, and Kashmir), and regions become countries (Pakistan, B'Desh, and soon Assam and Kashmir) that separate out.
The seeds were sown long back. When the growing tree spreads its roots under a nearby building, then it is time to cut down the tree or the building will be gone.
> by the Minarities.
Just did, of one of the largest cities of India. Over the last 20 years, the city has become decidedly more Hindu in population. I suppose there would be Uppilis of other faiths who would be using this information to call for "physical or retaliatory actions" and "cutting down the tree"...
The tree was cut down already once in 1948 - except it was not cut properly and fully, with the result the tree has grown back to threaten the very land and basic structure.
Oh.. .people of other faiths have already done that in other countries. I am yet to get an swer where all those millions of Hindus who formed almost 20%of the population in Pakistan disappeared. While Minareti population has gone up in India where IS the minority population in Pakisatan ?
For the brilliant minds that have the stock answer Pakistan is not India - yes. the same mind set will see to it that there is no India either.
Why are people who are quick to criticize retaliatory action never want to condemn the violent initiatial action that prompted the retaliatory action ?
> action that prompted the retaliatory action ?
This is the sort of statement that indicates a persecution complex, not the original poster's comments. Speaking only for myself, I have never shied away from condemning any violence, regardless of who the culprits are.
Everything is hunky dory....
I accept. You are right. 100% right. or, perhaps like the Great Mushy would say 400% right.
The real enemy of Hinduism is within. The Hiranyakashyaps, Ravans and Sishupals are the ones. Unfortunately, common man is told that some Avatara will take care of such scoundrels (an apocalyptic, not a systematic and realistic, view). These characters don't know Hinduism well but are quick to dismiss and oppose it in every possible way. Periyar made a mistake. He should have gone after the non-practicing Brahmin, not everyone that he sees on the street.
In Kerala, those Namboodris who embraced atheism were responsible for fostering communism. I know of Brahmins who became Naxalites in AP. I am sure you can find similar examples elsewhere.
You can not find another religion that tolerates such self-deprecating people sitting at the top of the heap. They should be dragged down and their narcissism forced to evaporate. There is no other way.
I have more respect for those Brahmins who are cleaning toilets in
How ironic that your extremely sarcastic statement is actually true!! People like you (with persecution complex) spread undue concern (fear) among the people. As a result, the society will become more divisive and self-destructive. 80% of the India's population is still Hindu. There are millions of Hindus all over the world. If you consider Budhism as a branch of Hinduism, think about all the budhists in countries like Vietnam, Thailand, Japan...etc. How about Jains and Sikhs? Half of the population is hindu. Hinduism/hindus are alive and well. You feel so strongly that the hindus are threatened that you were actually in favor of killing of hundreds of innocent muslims, who had absolutely nothing to do with the Godhra event. By condoning the barbaric 'justice by mob', you were also in favor of dozens of gang-rapes of muslim women and girls as young as 12. I don't think you are that inhumane naturally. But you have allowed certain phobia into making your thought process very dubious. Think about this: what if the muslims in Pakistan and Afghanistan responded in kind and went on killing hindus and raping hindu women and girls?; what if the christians in Australia went on a killing rampage of hindus in the aftermath of the heinous murder of the Australian missionary and his sons?; what if the american christians went on a rampage, destroying temples and terrorizing hindus here in the aftermath of what happened to christians recently in India? You say the hindus are threatened and persecuted. Non-hindus living in India could say that they are the ones that are being threatened and persecuted. Yes, hindus have been victimized but they have also been victimizers. Efforts should be made to curtail communal violence, NOT spreading unnecessary fear that could further promote violence.
I believe in lonig-term plans, strategies, and consequences. In national, cultural, and civilizational times scales 300 to 1000 years is long term. If you were to look back at the last 1000 years, over which Hinduism and its power has declined, the next 1000 years will certainly be a disaster - if things are continued. Certainly it is no over reaction.
Taking action, if any, after the fact is proper reaction in your dictionary then certainly mine is over reaction.
The over-reaction is in saying the following in response to my comment:
>> ok ..ok... India is safe.. Hindus are not threatened... All claims of threat to India's unity,
>> India's culture or to the Hindus are highly exaggerated and it is all bcz of persecution complex
>> and the fear psychosis spread by RSS and the VHP and fundamentalist Hindus.
I never said all this stuff that you "agreed" with. That is what I meant by over-reaction. Basically you are tilting at windmills, making something altogether different out of my comments than what I said.
I just cannot help but wonder at how much we talk just to hear the sounds of our voices. Almost all above are of an opinion that Hinduism will die. Has any of these wise men ever wondered how a religion dies.
There are 2 causes of death, one the religion is dead due to the fact that old people following the religion die and no new ones join ( eg the Pharsees) and the other is that it is overrun by other religions and the people covert just to save their skins.
The first cannot be true since w eread everyday of people coming from abroad to convert and become hindus even though born in other religions.
As to the second, all through documented history Hindus have died to protect their heritage be it the Prahlads of mythology to the Sikh Gurus ( who are basically hindu ). Do all the people on here mean to say that the current bunch of Hindus are of weak moral fibre and will convert just to save their skins if threatened by an outside force ?
i think we should leave well enough alone and from what I see all religions grow ovr a perod of tme to suit the new recruits so will Hinduism, Christiany, Jewism, and every oher ism that exists in the world.
Most of the people who discuss in various forums with all the intelligence they had will not utilise their voting rights and use the holiday given for election as a vacation for the family. With that attitude, nothing will happen for them. But certain sections of the population make it a point to vote based on the decision of the community. They do not allow even a single vote to go waste.
Naturally people in politics will trust those people who surely vote and do things in their favour. There is no point in blaming the politicians then.
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......... me very sad. I wish that I could believe that Islam can be reformed and that Muslims could be convinced to stop imitating the jihadist Mohammed, obeying the Medinan Koran and killing kafirs. Look at the results. Mao was responsible for the deaths of 77,000,000 people, Stalin killed about 62,000,000 and Hitler was responsible for the deaths of 21,000,000. And for the last 1400 years those who imitate Mohammed and follow the Koran of Medina, have killed over 270,000,000 kafirs. If you could bring about a reform that would negate this effect, you and your work would be the greatest blessing to humanity in written history.
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Islam is responsible for 270 million deaths in the history. That includes killing of 80-90 million Hindus in India according to various estimates- I think the Elst estimate is around 83 million. I think if killing of muslims is started in the same systematic way , the Islam went about it, then Hindus will have to kill very , very few muslims before an Islami ever thinks of killing a Hindu or a person of different religion. This may be perhaps the most economical and peaceful way.