Question to Hindians (serious replies only please)
started by Kayal Vizhi 5 mnths agoFlat
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You know like Ponnian Selvan says it is the leaders who created this problem. I think now most people have come to recognize that it is no longer an issue. But Hindi will eventually have its way wether we like it or not (I am tamil). The relentless spread of bollywood and increasing mobility of Indians will ensure that south indians are forced to learn this langauge. i see no harm as long as it is not imposed (which is no longer the case,coalition politics has ensured that). To be able to speak a new langauge is an asset !!!
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I don't think ordinary Hindians want to impose anything on anyone. It is the leaders of that era (pre-Independence and post-Independence) who wanted to impose Hindi and bulldoze it on everyone in India. Having just struggled against the British impreialism, it is quite natural that they did not want to adopt English as the official language (though it would make perfect logical sense).
Also, Hindi-Urdu fight has been a major issue in the communal fights around 1947. After a significant chunk of Muslims broke away into Pakistan, there was literally no opposition to Hindi in the Northern belt. colloquial Hindi itself is a mixture of various languages with words borrowed from Persian and other North Indian languages. It is easy for the people of Northern states to pick up Hindi even though they speak different languages.
But they failed to realise not everyone (esp. in a diverse country like India) shares the same ideas about language. It is the arrogance of the leaders of that time that aggravated the problem. But with the English craze going on all over the country (including the North), and I'm more worried about English killing the local languages. You can't find a kid /adult speaking in Tamil without using an English word in a sentence. Unfortunately, this behaviour is creeping into villages too. People just don't use a lot of Tamil words anymore . Just observe people speaking.
i'm angry that they make announcements in Hindi/English in the flights and leave out Tamil on the flights to Chennai and about the lack of Tamil in my passport. I hope they work on that. If you find any serious issues like discrimination in central government job interviews, let us know. Other than that, this issue is like beating a dead horse.
Also, Hindi-Urdu fight has been a major issue in the communal fights around 1947. After a significant chunk of Muslims broke away into Pakistan, there was literally no opposition to Hindi in the Northern belt. colloquial Hindi itself is a mixture of various languages with words borrowed from Persian and other North Indian languages. It is easy for the people of Northern states to pick up Hindi even though they speak different languages.
But they failed to realise not everyone (esp. in a diverse country like India) shares the same ideas about language. It is the arrogance of the leaders of that time that aggravated the problem. But with the English craze going on all over the country (including the North), and I'm more worried about English killing the local languages. You can't find a kid /adult speaking in Tamil without using an English word in a sentence. Unfortunately, this behaviour is creeping into villages too. People just don't use a lot of Tamil words anymore . Just observe people speaking.
i'm angry that they make announcements in Hindi/English in the flights and leave out Tamil on the flights to Chennai and about the lack of Tamil in my passport. I hope they work on that. If you find any serious issues like discrimination in central government job interviews, let us know. Other than that, this issue is like beating a dead horse.
English should be the national langauge.
Hindi is only a few hundred years old. Google for its history.
Most people know hindi - even people that are natively punjabi, gujrati etc.
In spite of that it is not the best language to be the national language because it lacks vocabulary for science and technology (as do all regional languages) and it is too late to start now. Just go with english and have the local language as the second language.
While we are making policy changes, make me the ruler of the world
Hindi is only a few hundred years old. Google for its history.
Most people know hindi - even people that are natively punjabi, gujrati etc.
In spite of that it is not the best language to be the national language because it lacks vocabulary for science and technology (as do all regional languages) and it is too late to start now. Just go with english and have the local language as the second language.
While we are making policy changes, make me the ruler of the world
The world is getting smaller because of the media and the internet. Look how we are comunicating on here. Just as there will soon be one currency, there will soon be only one universal language. That language is english. English makes sense because it is taught in every country in the world already.
Oh, I thought the universal language was love.
well you would be wrong. Go to Japan and tell a Sumo wrestler that you love him.
I said serious discussion only. keep your chit chat elsewhere.
Hindi is a very beautiful and sweet language - Hindians want to share it with their Tamil brothers and sisters
Telugu is a very beautiful and sweet language. I want to share it with my Himachali brothers and sisters. So I have a proposal: Himachali people who learn Telugu will get a higher salary for the same job than those who don't learn Telugu. Deal?
Telugu is not as sweet and beautiful as Pahari -- offer rejected.
Two things:
1. Hindi is not as sweet and beautiful as Telugu. So the Hindians' offer to share it with us is rejected.
2. You seem to accept that Hindi is sweeter and more beautiful than Pahari. By the associative principle of language (see point 1 above), Telugu IS sweeter and more beautiful than Pahari ;).
1. Hindi is not as sweet and beautiful as Telugu. So the Hindians' offer to share it with us is rejected.
2. You seem to accept that Hindi is sweeter and more beautiful than Pahari. By the associative principle of language (see point 1 above), Telugu IS sweeter and more beautiful than Pahari ;).
I didn't say Hindi is sweeter than Pahari - it's other way around and I am not saying that Tamils should learn Pahari.
Btw, there is a SI restaurateur near my village (about 4 km away), probably a Tamil coming to the area a few years ago, who started a SI restaurant by the roadside selling dosas etc. He already seems to be speaking beautiful and sweet Pahari with the locals.
This is a serious reply. Only.
Why do you want Thamizh as official language of Thamizh Nadu ( and impose your mother tongue on others like Telugus who do not want it)?
ONLY SERIOUS REPLIES. OTHERS STAY AWAY.
PS: Hindians reading this who think Hindi should be the rashtrabhasha, please do answer Kayal's earnest question.
Why do you want Thamizh as official language of Thamizh Nadu ( and impose your mother tongue on others like Telugus who do not want it)?
ONLY SERIOUS REPLIES. OTHERS STAY AWAY.
PS: Hindians reading this who think Hindi should be the rashtrabhasha, please do answer Kayal's earnest question.
Tamil Nadu is organized linguistically. Care was taken that talukas with majority telugus/malayalis/kannadigas went to other linguistic states. Some were left in TN with the full understanding that Tamil will be official language. There are many Telugus (like Uppili) living in Coimbatore area know Tamil for generations. So Tamil is not imposition. Samre true for Malayalis/kannadigas. This is no different from Tamils living in Mumbai, Mysore knowing and using the state language.
Only people who do not know Tamil are RECENT immigrants. THey must learn Tamil or leave. If I immigrate to Germany I must learn German.
Making Tamil official language of TN is not same as maknig Hindi official of India. I have no problem making Hindi official of UP, etc. I will learn and use if I go there. Hindi from a thoyusand miles is forced on Tamils who live in a land for a 1000 years and never heard of Hindi. That is not the case as making Tamil official language of TN
Hope it answers your question.
Only people who do not know Tamil are RECENT immigrants. THey must learn Tamil or leave. If I immigrate to Germany I must learn German.
Making Tamil official language of TN is not same as maknig Hindi official of India. I have no problem making Hindi official of UP, etc. I will learn and use if I go there. Hindi from a thoyusand miles is forced on Tamils who live in a land for a 1000 years and never heard of Hindi. That is not the case as making Tamil official language of TN
Hope it answers your question.
> Hope it answers your question.
No it doesn't. The Telugu-speaking people of this village have been living there for generations. But their state government imposes Tamil as the official language. This must end! Please support their right to not be imposed upon.
> Only people who do not know Tamil are RECENT immigrants. THey must learn Tamil or leave.
Why? An immigrant may choose to learn the local language if that gives him economic or social benefits. Why must (s)he be forced to learn the local language?
No it doesn't. The Telugu-speaking people of this village have been living there for generations. But their state government imposes Tamil as the official language. This must end! Please support their right to not be imposed upon.
> Only people who do not know Tamil are RECENT immigrants. THey must learn Tamil or leave.
Why? An immigrant may choose to learn the local language if that gives him economic or social benefits. Why must (s)he be forced to learn the local language?
Tamil language is as different from Hindi as French is from Polish or German or Spanish .It even has a different script so the twain cannot meet ..instead we should use a language which is universal that most of the world can understand ...
and then very proudly keep our regional language such as Bengali and Tamilian as a second langauge .
Kayal Vizhi posted Re:Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) A reasonable reply on 5 mnths ago
and then very proudly keep our regional language such as Bengali and Tamilian as a second langauge .
Kayal Vizhi posted Re:Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) A reasonable reply on 5 mnths agoAGREE
carvaka posted Re:Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) A reasonable reply on 5 mnths ago
carvaka posted Re:Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) A reasonable reply on 5 mnths agoMe too, me too! Now let's wait for the Hindians to reply.
>> The Telugu-speaking people of this village have been living there for generations. But their state government imposes Tamil as the official language.
These people know Tamil for generations. So Tamil is not imposed.
>> An immigrant may choose to learn the local language if that gives him economic or social benefits. Why must (s)he be forced to learn the local language?
If they can live without knowing Tamil well and good. Where is the problem?
Truthbetold3 posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths ago
These people know Tamil for generations. So Tamil is not imposed.
>> An immigrant may choose to learn the local language if that gives him economic or social benefits. Why must (s)he be forced to learn the local language?
If they can live without knowing Tamil well and good. Where is the problem?
so the war is between Telugu and Tamilian languages to become the national language ?
..the rest of India doesn't count .. ? better still ..doesn't exist .. ? hope this counts as a serious reply 
on a less serious note ..english shuld be the national language why ? because it is universally followed .. world commerce takes place in English .. the world is a smaller place now ....big disdvantage at this point to have any other indian language as national .....we have to be practical ...
Truthbetold3 posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths agoJai,
Why english? Most Indians do not know how to read, write and speak english? Why should it be national language?
Now if we ask FF, only Max and may be Carvaka knows how to write in english (other than FF himself, of course).
So what justification do you have to say english should be national language.
Kayal Vizhi posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths ago
Truthbetold3 posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths ago
Why english? Most Indians do not know how to read, write and speak english? Why should it be national language?
Now if we ask FF, only Max and may be Carvaka knows how to write in english (other than FF himself, of course).
So what justification do you have to say english should be national language.
Kayal Vizhi posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths agoA Hindi farmer has no need to write to a Telugu farmer. Only an office worker does. All office workers do know English. English is necessary because it is international language and an office worker may have to write to foreign companies/governments.
So use english for withing India too. No need for english and hindi.
Truthbetold3 posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths agoKayal,
If one has to learn another language other than mother tongue, would it not make sense to learn hindi which quite a few people in India know so that they get the ability to communicate with a large number of people.
How many office clerks write to foreign companies and governments? Why is the foreign company not learning the local language and communicate in that language?
Kayal Vizhi posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths ago
If one has to learn another language other than mother tongue, would it not make sense to learn hindi which quite a few people in India know so that they get the ability to communicate with a large number of people.
How many office clerks write to foreign companies and governments? Why is the foreign company not learning the local language and communicate in that language?
Kayal Vizhi posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths agoIf you learn only 2 languages it makes sense that they are mother tongue and English.
>> How many office clerks write to foreign companies and governments?
Then they need to know only mother tongue.
Also higher education in science needs English. We cannot translate all to Tamil. So English is a necessity.
Bengalis in Bangladesh don't learn Hindi. Why should here? Tamils in Lanka don't learn Hindi. Why here?
Hindi is imposed.
>> How many office clerks write to foreign companies and governments?
Then they need to know only mother tongue.
Also higher education in science needs English. We cannot translate all to Tamil. So English is a necessity.
Bengalis in Bangladesh don't learn Hindi. Why should here? Tamils in Lanka don't learn Hindi. Why here?
Hindi is imposed.
A Hindi farmer has no need to write to a Telugu farmer.
>>> Why not - have you ever been a farmer?
Kayal Vizhi posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths ago
>>> Why not - have you ever been a farmer?
Kayal Vizhi posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths agoMy family is. What is the purpose of a Hindian farmer writing to my family? Idf he/she needs a penpal, learn Tamil or ask a Tamil to write for him/her?
Your point being that if I want to write to Telugu or Tamil farmer from Himachal, I should start looking for a Telugu or Tamil speaker in my village first?
Kayal Vizhi posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths ago
Kayal Vizhi posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths agocorrect. Will you write in Hindi to a Japanese farmer?
sara Boji posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths ago
sara Boji posted Re: (Why english?) Question to Hindians (serious replies only please) on 5 mnths agocorrect. Will you write in Hindi to a Japanese farmer?
===> KV,
That was a great reply.
===> KV,
That was a great reply.
And for the languages, let the speakers decide the issue. Neither me nor you (I suppose so) are born with English. Are we not using it extensively. Thus the language is a tool, and the tool has to keep its utility alive. Otherwise you know where it goes.
The great languages like Sanskrit and Latin has gone into history. So why should we worry so much about 350 languages today spoken in India?
Let all the languages keep their utility in tact and remain alive.