Indo-Oak Relations
started by U N Han 6 mnths agoFlat
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no,...NO...nonono...
There are other complex issues besides straight politics in this matter...so it is only a miracle if anything get's solved by bringing in the new govt...
There are other complex issues besides straight politics in this matter...so it is only a miracle if anything get's solved by bringing in the new govt...
As long as there is no trust between the two countries, a permanent solution is a day dream.
Permanent Solution? Do you think Generals in Pakistan will allow it. Kashmir is the life-saving medicine which keeps alive the ANTI-INDIA feelings--so vitally needed for the survival of Pakistan. generals in Pakistan and somewhat in INIA, too, are not fools to allow PEACE MAKERS to get them out of BUSINESS. If there is PEACE--who wants such HUGE Armies? Where would the GENERALS go ? USA or CHINA or Middle East? sorry, there is no MMPOs (OUTSOURCING OF MILITARY MIND)S AS YET.
Unfortunately, Pakistan is on the road to self destruction since 1990. India can only befriend PAKISTAN at peril to her own stability. Democracy is a farce in PAKISTAN--as long as its MILITARY calls shots there--It will never allow any civil govt to function independently. If military is calling shots, it JUST CAN NOT ALLOW friendly relations between two neighbours. If there is PEACE in South Asia, what would GENERALS do? Sweep the roads in Islamabad and Delhi ? No way the relations will be allowed to improve. Add to it the new anti -India virus---the TALIBANISATION of youth. The poison is spilling--should you add sugar ( read peace talks!) and consume--it won't become a sweet dish. forget any such notion.
India has Kashmir and Pakistan wants it. There is no via media. The only way Pakistan can take it is by force which it does not have. It is making friendly gestures to China to get its help vis a vis India. However, I do not see China helping Pakistan to any great extent as for the long term a modus vivendi between India and China is more important to the latter than cosying up to a semi failed state. China uses Pakiistan for its nuisance value vis a vis India. An elected government in Pakistan is less prone to be a patsy to China and will likely defer the Kashmir dispute to a more favorable time and take advantage of the huge market south of its border
India has Kashmir and Pakistan wants it.
I am not sure how you are making this statement, India has half of Kashmir, Pakistan has the other half ( a little less than half ) and china has the rest.
Pakistan wants the Indian part of Kashmir, would be the better way to put it.
I do not see China helping Pakistan
Again you miss the point of China not helping to prop up Pakistan..It loves to prop it up and let it bite India as often as possible. Its not a nusience cat anymore, its strategic and serious business.
An elected government in Pakistan is less prone to be a patsy to China
You missed the bus again..Pakistan has a history of elected governaments trying to destabalise India. This was their way of winning the support from the military. I am sure the new elected govt too has no choice but to act aggressively against India to placate their military.
I am not sure how you are making this statement, India has half of Kashmir, Pakistan has the other half ( a little less than half ) and china has the rest.
Pakistan wants the Indian part of Kashmir, would be the better way to put it.
I do not see China helping Pakistan
Again you miss the point of China not helping to prop up Pakistan..It loves to prop it up and let it bite India as often as possible. Its not a nusience cat anymore, its strategic and serious business.
An elected government in Pakistan is less prone to be a patsy to China
You missed the bus again..Pakistan has a history of elected governaments trying to destabalise India. This was their way of winning the support from the military. I am sure the new elected govt too has no choice but to act aggressively against India to placate their military.
I do not agree that Pakistan wants Indian part of Kashmir. On the contrary Pakistan wants entire India and convert it into an Islamic State. Chinese aim is dubious. They pretend to be friends and stab at the time of handshake. They try to prop up a dictatorship in Pakistan so that they could claim Assam, Tripura etc. with their active help.
Dear friend,
U N Han.
No. I don't think that relations between Indo/Pak will ever improved.!!!!
[New - Yorker]
U N Han.
No. I don't think that relations between Indo/Pak will ever improved.!!!!
[New - Yorker]
What if the situation were viewed on a more personal level? For example the world is being educated to become more environmentally conscious. Often on a wide scale resolve seems impossible - yet on an individual level if one person here and one person there changes consumer habits to using environmentally safe products, eventually some improvement is noticeable. Same with Indo/Pak relations, get to know each other, Indian befriends one Pak family - then another Indian befriends another Pak family, realising that all in all most people have enough struggles to survive regular life without expanding concerns to embrace a national dilemna. Most families, whoever they are are merely concerned with immediate family/friend relationships without taking on the problems of an entire country. Finally these friendships would become comfortable on a wider scale, and before you know it, the difficult relations between India and Pakistan would begin to decrease. Oh sure I have such a naive outlook, but realistically which family here wants to contend with the ravages of war? Naturally there are always those who nurture unrest in their hearts and nothing is ever as they wish, it is these persons who are the great stir-it-up-mongers of the world, unfortunately, and they have the ability to recruit others, less fortunate than ourselves who had a hard time in life and feel embittered enough to try and get their own back and create change by adverse means.
Sure people to people contact helps..but takes a long time and there is no continuity. In this capitalistic world, the only way the relations can improve, is to let the business between the two countries flourish. If Indian businesses get a foothold in Pakistan it can only get better..What if the call center companies move from Bangalore to Karachi, because it may be cheaper to do business there? just a thought..the Pakistani Govt and ultimately Pakistani people need to create an environment to do just that...
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The leaders of that side are double edged swords, we should never belive in them. And moreover, the past is better teacher for today and tomorrow. So I don't think the bilateral relations will be fine untill and unless the the leadership of that counry will not have approach like us.