When will Hindu temple authorities learn?
started by tejasvee 3 weeks ago
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Excuses?
Tirupati (Venkateshwara) & Mysuru (Chamundi) temples are also in similar locations. However, the administrators are putting in serious measures up there to prevent stampede.
Does this excuse of temple accessibility being steep & dangerous make up for the hundreds of innocent people who got stamped to death under the foot of fellow devi devotees?
Does this excuse of temple accessibility being steep & dangerous make up for the hundreds of innocent people who got stamped to death under the foot of fellow devi devotees?
>>> I am not offering any excuses - I am just indicating the reality of situation in terms of temple location and difficult trek etc. People probably need to remember that it's nice to make pilgrimages to all kinds of places, but there is some level of prudence suggested to on their part by the scriptures in whatever they do.
"When work is done as sacred work, unselfishly, with a peaceful mind, without lust or hate, with no desire for reward, then work is pure (in Sattva); " (the Gita: Ch. 18 - V. 23)
"But when work is done with selfish desire, or feeling it is an effort; or thinking it is a sacrifice, then the work is impure (Rajas): (the Gita: Ch. 18 - V. 24)
"and that work which is done with confused mind, without considering what may follow, or one's own powers, or the harm done to others, or one's own loss, is work of darkness (Tamas). (the Gita:
Didn't understand the link between Gita quotes and the lack of supervision on the part of temple authorities that caused this tragedy.
The problem is that many people make these journeys combining the religious / spiritual element with holidaying and other festivities, often forgetting that there are other hazards associated with them.
People are driving mile and miles to the top of the mountain where a few priests may be sitting inside the temple - it's hard for them to control the incoming crowd.
Moreover, the people who are coming from 50 or 100 miles away in their cars, so how can the priest control them at their place of origin?
It is relatively a small place which everyone seems to like to visit at certain time of the year. People, especially large groups including young kids, have to plan their trips properly and safely.
Truthbetold3 posted Re:When will Hindu temple authorities learn? - Monetary compensation on 3 weeks agoWhy should Hindu temple authorities learn? Have you heard any authorities being held responsible? Have you heard of any Hindu endowment minister even been arrested for neglect?
people get burnt in cinema theatre
Children get killed in school builing burning
Multi storied building fall down killing people
Major overbridge in Hyderabad collapses killing people
Liquor kills hundreds of people every year
Floods kill people
Thunderstorms kill people
Boats capsize
Trains bruns killing people
People kill other people based on caste. regional, party, or religious roits
The simple message from all this is that India does not value the life of its people seriously.
The temple or theater manager or boat comapny or whoever is responsible for the incident should be forced to pay a significant amount of compensation to the victims. If boat is operated by people without means, let the govt the gives license to that boat pay the compensation. Then it will be forced to set up a reasonable guidelines and laws for passenger safety.
If a temple is bankrupt by paying compensation, it will force all those endowment departments to wake up and act quickly.
By the way, I did not have time to check all the messages, is Merlot, Jehadi apologist, running around using this incident to provide new cover to his jehadi terrorists?
Amerasian posted Re:When will Hindu temple authorities learn? - Monetary compensation on 3 weeks agoThey better learn to manage their temples. Management temples includes establishing procedures and structures to prevent catastrophic events such as this one.
Esp. seeing the bodies of the kids..
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Closeups are bad. I agree.
The first time I saw real closeups of a dead body's pieces was Rajiv Gandhi's death. When I saw the burnt thigh & behind, it was really a bad picture. I don't know how it was published in Indian newspapers.
Worse.. I believe Sun or some Tamil TV channel showed the complete beheading video of Daniel Pearl.. that too during regular news hours.
Merlot Daruwala posted Re:When will Hindu temple authorities learn? - Monetary compensation on 3 weeks agoHaha. No, but I'm surprised that an incident which took three times the number of Hindu lives than the Ahmedabad blasts did not provoke any 500-word, masterful essay from you on how to definitively solve the problem.
Instead, we have this tepid statement about the low value of life in India. Why was this low value nowhere in evidence last week when you and your fellow wingnuts were hysterically breast-beating about the imminent extinction of Hinduism and the end of Kaliyuga. Or did the value of life in India take a tumble only this week?
Truthbetold3 posted Re:When will Hindu temple authorities learn? - Monetary compensation on 3 weeks agoI did not have time to search for your new gems on How Mao's name was being misused by Naxalites or how poor jehadi's bad mouthed by Chaddis after evry time they kill innocent Indians?
So what is your latest Jehadi apology?
I am pretty sure your lazy lefty thinking would never understand the concept of monetary compensation?
May be India should allow Jehadi victims to sue the Saudi masters and their Paki executioners?
on another note...
For those who preach about existence of God on this forum... can one explain what happens to existence of God in such cases where devotees get killed an early death for no mistake of theirs. If God cannot protect his devotees in his/her own doorstep then why do people throng into these religious places????
God has given brains for the devotees to think. The whole discussion is about the lack of usage of that brain by devotees and those who were in charge of taking care of safety of devotees.
So you mean the ones who survived have used brains & the ones who didnt use their brains.... explain that to the parents of these innocent kids & the family members of the victims who died in the stampede.
Are you saying that those devotees who died ....died a natural death..that was their time on this world??
Clearly the existence of God is a big question mark in our times where millions are suffering & dying world over for various reasons.
Just because millions of suffering & dying, doesn't mean God doesn't exist.
Karma anyone?
I wonder what the karma of those innocent kids is ??? have they really lived enough life that their karma be judged..???
p.s: now you will say.. it was their karma from past janam/birth... they are getting punished for what they did in their last birth, right ??
So yes, I believe in cosmic Karma. But I also believe in "destiny in my hands" kind of effort. By combining both, one will perform to his/her optimum level yet, not get attached to the end result.
In this context of temple tragedy, yes, the authorities should have done everything they could do, which apparantly they didn't. The results are out there to see.
With due respect to the diceased. I generally donot like to discuss philosophy during these kind of accidents/deaths. I like the answer given by Sivananda. (Rashmun's new found friend!:)). He explains about fate and freewill.
Answer: An animal which is tethered to a peg by a rope of a given length has freedom to move within the circle drawn by that radius, the rope. But it has no freedom beyond that limit. It is bound to move within that specified range. Man is something like this. His reason and discrimination afford him a certain amount of freedom which is within their scope. But this reasoning faculty is like the rope with which the animal is tied. Reason is not unlimited and it is circumscribed by the nature of the Prarabdha which governs this body of the Jiva.
http://www.sivanandaonline.org/graphics/discourses/swami_sivananda/prarabdha_and_purushartha_fate_and_effort.html
Excellent explanation of what I was writing earlier as cosmic Karma (scope) + human efforts (certain amount of freedom).
Being totally fatalistic is like standing in the middle of a train track and not doing anything. A lot of people confuse the cosmic Karma with fatalism without an action. That is totally a wrong understanding.
This is authoritave work on karma. All complicated cases involving Karma, attitude, fate, destiny, upaya and grace answered.
Good resource. I will go through.
Do you personally know Sanjeev Nayyar?
If you believe in the former, by default, your individual actions and their consequence are already pre-ordained, so free will (and "destiny in my hands") becomes a fallacy.
In this example, if cosmic karma is true, then the inaction of the temple authorities was also pre-ordained because these 148 people were destined to go there and die.
No they are not mutually exclusive. See my earlier statement about Purusha prayatna (individual effort) and daiva prayatna (God's effort). These two efforts are complementing each other.
>> 148 who were 'destined' to die
Regarding the 148 people who were 'destined' to die, we are talking with a 20-20 hind vision here. How about the thousands who could have also died? Didn't they come out alive from a near-death situation?
What saved them?
>> How about the thousands who could have also died? Didn't they come out alive from a near-death situation?
See, this is the beauty of believing in a cosmic karma. It can explain away anything. In this case, those thousands were not meant to die that day at that place. So they came out alive. Simble.
Right, he didn't stop the Dwapara Yuga's ending. But there must have been a reason for him not to do that.
On the other hand, there are numerous instances where Krishna DID make efforts to change many events. He didn't sit down on the side and watch Draupadi getting humiliated when Dushyasana was pulling her saree. Didn't he intervene and do his 'purusha prayatna' as a human and also 'daiva prayatna' as a Godhead?
See.. cosmic Karma is a very complex subject and as you agree with the second part above (thousands who were saved on Sunday), this law of action (and inaction) explains pretty much everything. Karma literally means 'action' in Sanskrit so action is held paramount for one's life values.
In this context, my beef is with the temple authorities & government agencies who did not do their karma.
Yes. And now, for questioning (and worse still, lampooning) the holiest of Hindu beliefs, you're surely going to be reborn as a cockroach.
That's why God is called BELIEF. You believe in that super natural power if you have faith.
Could your belief also be your weakness..... an excuse to depend on the super-natural because you have given up on your own self-belief or have given up on yourself thinking that beyond this I will need a supernatural force.
No sir.. In my case, I believe that "I" am GOD. (Tat Twam Asi from Upanishads). When I see divinity in every single life out there, including myself, there is no question of beyond or till then stuff. Everything in this world acts upon a reason.
Until we find out that reason, we are helpless. Once we start finding out reasons for each event/action, the belief in that supernatural gets stronger.
I believe it's arrogance (aham or ego) inside us that makes us believe that 'I' is different from that supernatural. It never was separate/different and never will be.