Fire

started by nita_jr 9 mnths ago
I happened to watch this movie yesterday and to say the least, I was completely shocked. Can't say in a good way, but shocked nevertheless...
Never thought I would see a veteran actress like Shabana in her mid-50's kissing another woman on-screen...
Both women are neglected by their husbands, and hence turn to each other for solace. In time, their relationship becomes physical.  But to start with, these women were heterosexuals since obviously they were married to men. So this movie is kind of confusing. That is, is it possible for heterosexual women to become lesbians if their men ignore them? Boy, that is scary. Why couldn't they just have extra marital affairs with men..)
The sex scenes were quite boring, I dont think anyone would find it exciting except maybe lesbians.
Also both Shabana and Nandita are very feminine. In a lesbian couple, isn't one of them supposed to look and behave like a man?

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  denice _menace posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
if i find a woman like nandita or shabana i wud kiss kiss too

This wasn't about lesbianism..this was about rebellion...nadita sen's husbend had no interest in her as a person he wud F*** her everynight as if he is *f a pole
Shabana's husbend was old and guilty to have sex so they both turn to eachother to discover the people they are.
now how far this is agreeable depends on each person

  Maria S posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
Nita,

I would not call "Fire" a great/good movie...but it was a "different" /groundbreaking movie...in the sense, to bring more awareness/acceptance that indeed all kinds of human relationships (as in sexual orientation/preferences exist)..
*Just  like Brokeback Mountain"..a mainstream movie..there is no point denying them.

*I like both Shabana and Nandita...so it was interesting to watch them in again "different roles"...

*As for sexuality-there are no experts! *Since, it is much too complex...and hard to categorize..as you perhaps know, it seems like even the "most heterosexual" men and women sometimes can change their "orientation", when other factors come into play..(as in isolation/lonelines- early childhood sexual experiences with the same gender- which is much more common experimentation- than people admit)..
*I think this "one dominant sexual partner"- male/female is also very much-stereotyping/mythical..as I said..it is much too complex and perhaps too early on a Monday to discuss:)

M

  atcg posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
>perhaps too early on a Monday 

okay, its a lazy afternoon after a thai lunch served by 20 year old thai girls...so i guess its timely :)

>I like both Shabana and Nandita...so it was interesting to watch them in again "different roles"...

I like Maria and her 'sterile' comments...do you get trained in being neutral/noncomittal or is it a natural genetic thing? :)

>I would not call "Fire" a great/good movie

It was a nicely packaged soft porn for the mind.

  guyjersey posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
Maria,
Thing is....Nita Jr. got srsly aroused while watching this flick and in dealing with that, she just had to make a post about the flick on CH, to sorta dump her guilt out.  I can bet this week's paycheck that Nita Jr. fantasises about women on a regular basis. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


later, Bittu
  flimflam2 posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago

finally, bittu singh fobby is correct! junior - nita-jr., that is - felt the arousal creeping up her toes, and felt guilty. she feels the urge to prowl the hallways of her company or college to find her own nandita. now that maria s has given her the green signal, she may. good hunting, junior!

 

flimflam

  jungleegirlzz posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
you got flim.

right on the money once again.

watched it when i was 3, drink beers at microbrews,

and am an undecover male fob in highschool,

dalit hooker, puffing ecstacy!

love it!

would really love to have a good spirited meet up with the fools on this board someday

so that we can knock off the assumptions.

but that part is fun too.

thing is flim, if you were to ask me to guess your background...i'd have no f'ing clue.

so, cheers to you for having developed an algorithm.

lets meet up so you can see if its accurate.




  Keen Observer posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago

Sexual Expressions are solely personal there is nothing to be shocked about...and there is no agenda that among the lesbian couple one has to act like a man and the other feminine...

Vatsyayana in his Kamasutra have written about Lesbian/Gays but not with the intention of negativity in it, Indian women carry lots of inhibition inside their marriage sometimes leading to male sexual frustration leading them to have extra marital affair...in fact Humans are the only monogamous creatures on earth...exceptions of some animals...

Well, I dress up like a man and tomboyish in nature but I am heterosexual and lived with gays and had friends who were lesbians...(never lived with them)
Give their freedom to live and let live yours is my idea of living...

Well, both men and women crave for sexual urges as a form of Tantric Healing not necessarily means hetero or homo sexual intentions...whichever for healthy living and normal living...so the laws of attraction takes the vibes with no good or bad, right or wrong attached to it...so it just happens...

Check more www.spaceandmotion.com

Have a good life.

-KO

  atcg posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
>Vatsyayana in his Kamasutra have written about Lesbian/Gays but not with the intention of negativity in it

Can you provide a reference?


  jaijui posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago

hi nita,

 i know .....its a bad movie ..dont know where  the director deepa mehta is going  with it .

mostly just wants to create a stir ...

 i saw the first five mins only...it was so boring ..  shabana is the butch here  , i think  she's manly enough ..dont you think so   :D :D

cheers  
jaijui


  kripamaya posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
All is fair in love and war. Yes hetrosexual can become gays or lesbians. Sad isn't it?
  Amerasian posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
"All is fair in love and war. Yes hetrosexual can become gays or lesbians. Sad isn't it?"

Noooo way. How is that possible?

  jungleegirlzz posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
become would imply that they weren't already.


  jungleegirlzz posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
hello hello hello

are you still living in a world where "if you get married"

you "must be hetero"

ohhhh boy.

lordy lordy lordy.

maybe you should check out the casual encounters section on craigslist

there you will find that indian (OH MY GOD!!!!)

couples are seeking other couples to swing with

on a bi and hetero basis.

but,  first of all lets ask why its scary to you? are you afraid of a "gay world"?

its too bad you missed shabana chatting about this role, over at the uni

you could have asker her yourslef.

but girl, this movie came out circa '96

where the heck have you been.

since i came here when i was 12 and i am now preparing for my exam on dec 20

according to flimlfam,

that means that oh sh!t.....it means i was about 3 when it came out....

and guess what, i saw it in a theater at age 3. unbelievable.

flimmy flimmy flimmy.

lets get back to business tho:

a) why does it scare you that these chicks turned to each other?

b) why do you think they would want to go and have affairs with other men?
seeing that they are probably tired of  "male sensitivities", which is what it seemed like in the movie.

best part was the dude jacking off to porn while the old geriatric rang the bell incessantly.




  BladeRunner posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago

junglee is one angry kid 

  jungleegirlzz posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
angry and kid : love the descriptors.

not angry blade

but let's be honest....

what sheltered world is young nita j living in

to be shocked "not in a good way"

christ, can we move on from hypersexualizing homosexuality.

nita j, oh nita j.

what to do.
  flimflam2 posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago

to a large extent, you're right about nita junior acting as if she has led a sheltered life. but that's what many indians - male and female - are. all their lives, they've been dominated by their parents, who have transferred to them their obsolete notions about sexuality, religion, and people who are unlike them and their relatives. from what i've seen, to have led insular lives, and be shocked by anything different, is the norm in india. to be unaware of that makes you somewhat naive.


i suspect, however, that you do know how it is in india and among many indians, and are are feigning ignorance just to display your contempt for junior's naivete.


flimflam

  Seva posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
to a large extent, you're right about nita junior acting as if she has led a sheltered life. but that's what many indians - male and female - are. all their lives, they've been dominated by their parents, who have transferred to them their obsolete notions about sexuality, religion, and people who are unlike them and their relatives. from what i've seen, to have led insular lives, and be shocked by anything different, is the norm in india. to be unaware of that makes you somewhat naive.

>>> Your above statement is equally applicable to other people from other cultures and countries. A Sikh friend of mine (without turban or long hair and beard) married a Latin American Christian woman after more than a year of dating. About more than two years after their wedding, they visited our place. During conversation over lunch, the woman found out for the first time that her husband had a different religion from hers and that he was a Sikh. She had been thinking that he was a Christian (perhaps a non-Catholic from India) if not necessarily a Catholic like herself. The reason probably was quite simple – she originally came from a predominantly Catholic country and everyone around was Catholic / Christian.  She automatically thought the same about this guy (her friend and husband) without ever seeing the need to ask him his religion.

  Currer Bell posted Re:Fire (Seva) on 9 mnths ago
"During conversation over lunch, the woman found out for the first time that her husband had a different religion from hers and that he was a Sikh. "

Wait - two years after marriage she learned he was a different religion?
If so, this is not due to living a cloistered life, but a lack of communication.
  Seva posted Re:Fire (CB) on 9 mnths ago

Yes, that was a surprise to us too.  But it's quite possible that she might have heard before the word Sikh from her husband as being his religion, but  she simply considered it another Christian denomination due to her upbringing in a predominantly Catholic / Christian country. Don't forget Christianity has many denominations / sects with strange names. She probably   never showed any curiosity earlier to get into the details of Sikhism, thinking perhaps that it might just be another small deviation from her own religion (Catholicism).

  gowser posted Re:Fire (CB) on 9 mnths ago

I think it more likely that it was not important enough for him to ever tell her much about it or for her to ask.  Especially if they did nothing sikh as part of their wedding and his family went along with everything her family wanted there was probably no need to ask either.  

  Currer Bell posted Re:Fire (CB) on 9 mnths ago
That's what I thought.. it's usually during the wedding ceremony that religion comes up - "should we have it at your church or my guruwara?"

  Kris posted Re:Fire (CB) on 9 mnths ago
Maybe she thought the Gurudwara was an eastern orthodox church? :)

Now you have got me thinking about the gurudwara food- need to swing by for the langar one of these days.

  gowser posted Re:Fire (CB) on 9 mnths ago
or if someone dies.  Otherwise if one is not religious I guess you never mention it much.
  Currer Bell posted Re:Fire (CB) on 9 mnths ago
Didn't think about the death part. Usually the biggest challenges for couples of mixed religions/communities is during the wedding and birth of children -- everyone wants their own traditions & beliefs up front and center.
  Amerasian posted Re:{CB} Fire on 9 mnths ago
"Usually the biggest challenges for couples of mixed religions/communities is during the wedding and birth of children -- everyone wants their own traditions & beliefs up front and center."

That's true. It's best to keep these ceremonies as non-religious as possible. The problem(s) arises when one of the parents wants to do things according to their religion. It's usually their parents, who insist on doing in their way. 

On a different note, how are you doing? how was your long weekend?
  Currer Bell posted Re:{AmerA} Fire on 9 mnths ago

Doing well - thanks for always asking. Hit a lot of stores this wknd (and yes, the stores hit back --- on my credit card! :-)



  gowser posted Re:Fire (CB) on 9 mnths ago
Only during wedding and births if both sides are bothered otherwise if one party could not care less then there is not much issue. 

 It is more likely to come up when someone dies and you go to a funeral of someone else whose family gives them a religious send off as suddenly its something that you do not quite expect to see.




  Seva posted Re:Fire (CB) on 9 mnths ago
They were a young couple then - more interested in other things!





  jungleegirlzz posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
the thing is flim...

i don't get why you think nita is "acting"

and i am "acting" (feigning ignorance)

and secondly, i don't have contempt for nita j.

i'm just as "SHOCKED" as she was




  BladeRunner posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago

so not angry kid :)
Even from the description, it sounds like a boring movie.
Interesting lesbian movies start with a girl delivering pizza in a catholic school girl uniform.

  jungleegirlzz posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
hahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha

concur.

overall, worthless prefab bs





  kripamaya posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
You saw an adult movie when you were 3 years old? Guess Indian films do not get a rating, huh?
  jungleegirlzz posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
krips,

that part wa s joke.

i was just using the assumptions of on flim flam...

(assumptions that had been deduced by the disciple of holmes and watson of 221 Baker Street)

...to back into my age when i actually saw the movie.

its a long and irrelevant story, between myself and one flim flam.

you know speaking of 221. jeremy brett  is a fine actor. any fans out there?
  BladeRunner posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
I used to watch those. best sherlock holmes ever
  jungleegirlzz posted Re:Fire on 9 mnths ago
nice!

that guy is just brilliant.






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