Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud?

started by Chavda Ashok 6 mnths ago
A pranic healer I know claims that he can cure even cancer. many pranic healing and reiki practitioner and teachers have mushroomed lately claiming various success. but I also know a cancer patient, who was treated by a pranic healer (sic) for almost 4 months for a simple boil on her breast which later turned out to be a 3rd stage cancer. had she gone to an MBBS doctor or even a homeopathic practitioneallopathicr, she would have been diagnosed much earlier. Now after the operation, and all radio and chemo therapy, she is fine but the pranic healer takes credit for her well being.
what is this pranic healing? it is nothing but a great fraud started by someone in Thailand and came to India. they charge you to give you some sort of degree without even considering your education level. a 4th std. pass can become a pranic healer of say, 4th degree, they claim it is equivalent to M.D.(sounds stupid).
and in Mumbai, they charge heavily from unsuspecting patients, 300 to 500 per sitting. until the patients realizes that they are being cheated. or they get cured automatically due to the natural resistance force of their own body, giving credit to the pranic healer.
If this is so effective, then the government of India should start official pranic healing degree or they should take action to make them shut their shop.
those who knows pranic healing says that the next step to this is nothing but witch-craft.
Is this true?

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  Stylefeet posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
Again and again I say,
Pranic healing is a fraud, fraud and nothing but a fraud.
please be careful before parting with even a single cent to these merchants of  hUMAN EMOTIONS AND MAJBOORI.
and unlike Mr.Ramaraoji Garimella, Please fo not even tell them about the Marginal Improvement just to make them feel good. because it is not so, they are applying this trick on everyone, i.e. repeatedly asking you, "how do you feel now?" after every 10 minutes. Ultimately at one point you will tell them "somewhat better...." or " O.K." and pay them $30 to $50.
They are all great fraud on the human kind.
They Charge you for what the Great Swami Ramdev gives you free of cost.
  Chavda Ashok posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
My my my,............stylefeet,
It seems that you are really really angry at these people, first thing first, they dont and wont dare to touch me. because I am capable of paying them back in their own style.
but anyway thanks for your concern.
  Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago

Chavda Ashok :

I must say you are a brave person.  Human mind is so fickle when it knows death is near it grabs even a blade of grass (dharba?) so that it can escape the inevitable.  I don't have to go to others for examples.  I have them in my family.    You may like to read this for whatever it is worth. 


On March 29, 2008, Indumatidelhi had written a blog on Acupressure and Magneto Treatment and called it as Indumati Alternative Healing.  And this is her appeal :

The treatment methods adopted here are: Acupressure, Magnetic Disks Application (Magneto Treatment), Color Treatment, Yoga & Pranayama.

Indumati is a first of its kind Home Clinic where one can find assimilation  of traditional methodologies with modern technology. The Motto of this clinic is “NO DRUG THERAPY, QUALITY TREATMENT & PROPER PATIENT GUIDANCE”. Indumati has its own research centre where new techniques for treatment of different diseases are being explored.

http://indumati.sulekha.com/blog/post/2008/03/acupressure-and-magneto-treatment-indumati-alternative.htm

And my comments are as follows:

"indumatidelhi:

The problem with all these holistic types of treatment is a vague perception of having  "a feel good factor".  These do not have the authenticity of allopathy, ayurveda, unani or siddha medications.  Some idiots like my cousin  spread these half baked informations and considered herself as a second degree Pranic Healer and was treating a lot of suffering humanity for various symptoms. 

Ultimately when it came to treating herself the Prana in the Pranic Healing gave up its Pranan and we had to rush her to the nearby Allopathic Hospital and treat her.  It cost  us a few lakhs to bring her back  from the brink of  death.  Now luckily for the other sufferers she has stopped treating them - once bitten twice shy.  But at what cost!

Similarly my brother-in-law who was suffering from Athletes Heart (in layman's terms an enlarging heart) was treated by a Magneto Therapist(a rapist of human lives?) at Chennai with a lot of weird looking magnets surrounding him and presumably keeping  him with in a magnetic field which would create an aura of good vibes and his heart would shrink to its original size.  Ultimately the heart expanded to such a huge size the cavity within the body was not enough to contain it and he died  prematurely & pathetically.  The net result?  My sister became a widow with four young children without any male support. 

Hopefully you are not going to create such piquant situations".

I am yet to get a reply from her.

Regards.
Rajaputhran.

 

 

  Chavda Ashok posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
Sir,
Thanks for exposing a fraud committed right here, under our nose, in Sulekha.
and thanks for the compliments and comments.
I have nothing more to say as what ever you have said is ultimate.

  Chavda Ashok posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
Dear Rajaputhran,

Thanks.
I have decided one thing. Never ever in life I will go either for myself or for my own family members, seeking help of these pseudo science of healing. or any other so called scientific matter. It is a fashion to quote matter or science to prove one's point and generally they stress their point by saying that "even todays science say this" or "even science has accepted this" which is far from truth.

They conveniently forget that scientific truths are established universally. Gravitaional force remain the same on every points of earth. It is our fortune that these people do not understand and never will be able to understand the DNA structure of the body otherwise they would come out with all those complex DNA maps to prove their point to innocent un-suspecting people who put their blind faith in these things.

(by the way, I have very clear definition of a blind faith in my mind, When you bow in a temple and converse with God with your soul alone, it is faith, but when you start singing and dancing praising ear-rings and crown and clothes of God it is blind faith.)

I have also, decided to fight tooth and nail, without promoting me, I or myself. if I get moral help and support from wonderful people like you. you rightly said , that these people are rapists of human health. but surprizingly, they are allowed to work without question. Thousands of Indian brothers fall victims to these people, and even these people themselves are victim of a bigger and larger chain started by some megalomaniac of Phillipines. They have paid huge fees to learn this so called scientific technique of healing.

enough is enough, We will force the government to take action against all these mumbo jumbo humbug.

Sir, in all earnestness, I request you to post more cases like these, so that we can file an affidavit under RTI with the health ministry. When that happens I will rest at peace.

I will give you a more shocking information, on which I am doing some research right now, some of these practitioners are even aquiring some (so called) Tantric power by visiting Kali Temples and other places with obvious motives of black mailing their victims.

Sir, Thanks again and regards.

ashok chavda




  Stylefeet posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
Mr. Ashok Chavda,
You are doing a great social job, awakening people about a TOTAL FRAUD. I must command your courage. because I know by doing so, you will be making lot of enemies. because all these vested interest have paid thousand of USD or INR to learn this so called Pranic Healing and No touch Therapy, or TT, or Touch Therapy as they call this in US.
Please be careful of these vested interest, because if your "abhiyan" against this Pranic Healin fraud clicks, then they will be nowhere.
BTW, I agree with the article of GRV Acharya you have posted here. every word of it. I have visited the site and became a fan of him.
in short, THERE IS NO MAGIC.
  Chavda Ashok posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
My my my,............stylefeet,
It seems that you are really really angry at these people, first thing first, they dont and wont dare to touch me. because I am capable of paying them back in their own style.
but anyway thanks for your concern.

another thing it is not G.R.V. but D.R.V.
regards,

ashok chavda


  Stylefeet posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago

What is Pranic Healing?

Supporters of Pranic Healing claim it can treat and cure a wide variety of illnesses, including heart failure, diabetes, cancer and kidney infections. The "theory" is that people who are ill have disturbed "energy fields," and that by moving trained hands over the patient's body (without contact), a Pranic Healer can detect malalignments and repattern energy fields to create "energy balance."

It is important to stress that this is not the same as manipulative treatments such as massage or relaxation techniques. Massage can reduce stress in some people and meeting and talking with a concerned, caring individual can have a calming effect. Buttouch therapist this is far different than the claims of "Pranic Healer or Toruch Therapists" claiming to treat and cure diseases by aligning energy fields without even touching a person.

Is there any scientific support for touch therapy?

No, there are no properly done studies supporting touch touch therapistsherapy nor is there even theoretical support that it should work. People claiming to detect and treat "disturbed energy fields" are claiming magical abilities.

Is there evidence against touch therapy?

Until recently no well controlled studies had been done to see whether touch therapists could detect the presence of a person's "energy field". Then a study, initially proposed by a sixth grade girl for her science class, was conducted and published in JAMA (April 1,1998).

The question posed by the young investigator was simple: Can experienced practitioners of therapeutic touch, when blindfolded, accurately identify the presence or absence of a person's "energy field?"

Fourteen practitioners were tested 10 times each and seven practitioners were tested 20 times each. In each test, participants were asked to identify whether a young girl had placed her hand close to their left or right hand. A coin toss determined where the girl placed her hand each time. By chance alone, the practitioners should have received a score of 50 percent. If the practitioners had the abilities to sense "energy fields," as they claim, they would have answered correctly 100 percent of the time.

How did these experienced therapists do? They got 44 percent correct — somewhat less than chance alone. The authors concluded that therapeutic touch is "groundless" and that further use of it by health professionals is "unjustified."

source: http://your-doctor.com/patient_info/alternative_remedies/various_therapy/touch.html

  Chavda Ashok posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
Oh, Oh,
this is something great, You have done a good job, just like Ramaraoji, Stylefeet.
thanks.


  Stylefeet posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
No touch Therapy or Pranic healing is a form of New Age mumbo jumbo, a no-touch laying on of hands that has no legitimate place in medicine. Leading the attack is Rocky Mountain Skeptics, a group of scientists and other professionals based in Boulder, Colorado, who investigate what they call "pseudo science." Its president, computer specialist Bela Scheiber, charges that TT/Pranic healing is "paranormal and religious activity masquerading as science."

Practitioners of Pranic Healing/TT. claim that their hand motions actually smooth kinks or "congestion" in the "energy field" that surrounds every human being. And that, they say, is what makes the treatment work. As proof of Pranic Healing's efficacy, they cite "scientific" reports in such obscure journals as Subtle Energies and Psychoenergetic Systems, as well as stories in popular magazines.

Vern Bullough, a retired professor of nursing at the State University of New York, scoffs at these claims. "None of the research demonstrated that there's any effect," he says, "and many of the conclusions are subjective." He also notes that no evidence exists for a human energy field. Still TT seems to have gone mainstream. It is taught in nursing schools, practiced in hospitals and described matter-of-factly, without reservation, in Techniques in Clinical Nursing, a widely distributed textbook.

SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU EVEN THINK OF APPROACHING A PRANIC HEALER. IT IS NOTHING BUT A HOGWASH, AND NOTHING BUT A UNIVERSAL FRAUD


  Chavda Ashok posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago

I came to know that master Choa kok sui, the founder of Pranic healing movement died in March of this year. He was pretty young and was about 53 years old. The last time I saw Master Choa Kok sui was a couple of years ago in the St John’s Auditorium in Bangalore, where he was conducting a public function of mass healing. He was visibly overweight and looked unhealthy. I came to know that he suffered from many ailments and last year he had a bout of pneumonia and died because of that in March 07. I sometimes wonder why a person who claimed to heal so many illnesses through his psychic powers couldn’t get himself healed. Of course his followers have a ready explanation that he took the karma or the ailments of his students and died for it. A friend of mine who is his avid follower told me that Choa Kok Sui out of compassion realised that he is better off helping more people in his disembodied state than while he was alive in his body and hence he left his body.

Master Choa Kok sui started his healing career somewhere in the late eighties and he visited bangalore in the early Nineties when he introduced Pranic healing in India. He had readily borrowed from many sources in the yoga and occult traditions to create his own patented system of healing. That’s when I came to know about him and also met him in person in Atheetha Ashram of Swami Sahajananda. Choa Kok Sui was very approachable and not quite popular during this time. He later became a cult figure. 

Swami Sahajananda was a disciple of Chinmayananda and was into naturopathy and yoga healing. He had walked all over india on foot and collected funds and did a lot of rural development activities in Atheetha Ashram in thally. Choa Kok Sui was invited to the ashram and he later became a patron of that ashram. Swami Sahajananda was influenced by many people from varied backgrounds like Gandhi, E.F.Schumacher, Albert Schweitzer, Arnold Ehret, Herbert Shelton, Osho and Chinmayanada and his teachings were a mixture of the teachings of all these people. He believed in fasting and he did fast for long durations ranging from a week to three weeks. He was also interested in yoga and ayurveda and experimented with a lot of these things. I liked Sahajanada for his social work, simplicity and humility. He was also invited to Philiphines by Master Chao kok sui in 1993. That was his first tour abroad and Sahajanada died a few months later on his return to India. He was diagnosed of cancer and he died at a very young age of 48. I was shocked to hear the news of his death because I had heard many lectures from Sahajanda about health and healing and how yoga, natural hygiene and fasting can improve ones health and prolong life.

Influenced by Sahajananda, I used to follow all the rules of food, hygiene and yoga. I even used to lecture about these things to my classmates in college. But this incident really left me thinking and also changed my views and I decided not to have firm and rigid views about anything and also not fall a prey for fads. I do believe and have found the benefits of moderation in diet and also the benefits of exercises like Yoga, walking and aerobic exercises. I am quite healthy by most standards and have never been to a doctor for years.  I feel health and longevity depends on three things genetics, lifestyle and environmental factors. Genetics do play an important role in longevity. Some people are hard wired to lead a long and healthy life in-spite of their extreme indulgence and leading an epicurean life. There are some people who are quite moderate and frugal in their habits and they die young. So it is still a mystery and no one knows the secrets of longevity including the scientists, medical men and other soothsayers who claim to have insights into these things.

During this time even the self help Guru Deepak Chopra was in Bangalore. Chopra was still selling TM and not started on his own and he was not that popular. I found an article in the national newspaper which was quite funny, Chopra claimed that as a result of his practice of TM Chopra has stopped ageing. This was a ridiculous statement and now we all know that Deepak is ageing just like all others. Just compare his old and new photographs. One thing I understood during this time was that these people in the holy and healing business will go to any lengths to sell their products. Most of their testimonials and case histories are false and they only project what was good and suppress any bad evidence. 

I know some people in Bangalore who are into pranic healing and they  worship their Guru Choa Kok Sui almost as a God. They used to call him grandmaster Choa Kok Sui. There are certain characteristics I see in some of these people. They are all quite paranoid and obsessed with what they call ‘Bad Vibrations’. They are all the time judging people and have a ‘holier than thou’ attitude. They are also very secretive about their meditation and healing techniques like the Twin heart Meditation, Arhatic Yoga, Meditation on the Soul and Kundalini Meditation. You would have to go through their courses where they teach all these techniques for a heavy price. They claim that all these techniques were developed by the Grand Master Himself including all those funny new vocabulary on colour prana and cleansing and energizing techniques. However they don’t realize that Choa Kok Sui has borrowed from many known sources like Bihar School of Yoga, Alice Bailey and Theosophical Society.  What he was teaching was not something new and it was quite old and infact very popular in the early part of the nineteenth century and popularized by such authors like the American yogi Ramachakra alias William Walker Atkinson.

Choa Kok Sui towards the end of his life had become a megalomaniac. He even claimed that his photograph has healing properties and now after his death his followers have begun to worship his photograph. He created a fictitious lineage to which he claimed that he belonged to and associated it with the Mahayana Buddhist master Padmasambhava or Mei Lung as he is called in Chinese. He even went about sending court notices to other energy  healing teachers like Mantak Chia of Thailand and an Indian Author. He claimed that these authors committed the grave sin of plagiarising him. He could not use his loving kindness meditation to forgive these people of trespasses and after all these were not some great scientific and technological discoveries that they plagiarised but some rehash of age old yogic techniques.

One of the typical qualities of groups like Pranic healing, Siddha samadhi Yoga and Ravishankar’s art of living is the claim for the unique qualities of the wares they sell. In art of living we have the sudharshan Kriya which is a rehash of energizing breathing techniques and they associate all kinds of mystical qualities to this exercise. The same with the pranic healing foundation, in their websites they have outlandish claims of miracles. There is one instance on the pranic healing website where one of the practitioner of this system has mentioned about a miracle on how his CD player did not stop playing the meditation CD by Choa Kok Suion Om even after hours of the expected duration in the CD thereby defying the laws of electronics. 

It cant get more absurd than this.

 

  Chavda Ashok posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
The above article I havd taken from Shri D.R.V. Acharya's notes from http://drvasu.wordpress.com/2007/11/13/master-choa-kok-sui-dead/


  visumouli posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
I have not heard of this till now.  It is high time you acted as an eye opener, otherwise many people who do not know what to eat to clear their disease.  Hats off to you Sir,  many people are advertising like this only similar to the stone seller, who promises if you wear this you will get cured, lot of money will flow in.  Actually lot of money flown to him and not to the person who seeks remedy.
Thanks for highlighting this elite fraud.  Great job.

Chandramouli.
  Chavda Ashok posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
Chandramouli,
Please never go to a healer, a spiritual or a pranic. they are fraud and nothing but fraud. there are only six therapies recognized by the government of India. though I do not know why government is not acting on this.
these six therapies are Allopathy, Homeopathy, Ayurvedic, Unani, Accupuncture and pressure, and hold your bredth,
Hypnotism.(used by psychiatrists)
Rest all are fraud.


  Rama Rao Garimella posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
My dear Chanda,
I can tell u from my personal experience. I suffer from chronic ailment. I attended Pranic healing sessions regularly for six months. Since i was the well heeled amongst the patients in the centre I got almost the VIP treatment and the most experienced healers to deal with my case. They used to go through the practic/drill everyday and complain that they felt lot of toxins as they had removed much of toxic aura from me. they used to wash their hands rigorously for half an hour. I must add to their credit that they never asked me for anything but I out of guilt for getting free treatment used to treat them with sweets and other goodies regularly. After every session they used to ask me with lot of hope whether there was any imporovement in me. Just to save them from disappointment I used to tell a white lie and report marginal improvement. Seeing this day in and day out my wife also became a trained healer paying 700 and doing a three day course. her idea was to extend the treatment at home.
After six months of the treatment with an open mind and adhering to their advice strictly I regret to report that there has been no improvement not even marginal. But I used to see the no of patients increasing rapidly and more people doing courses including advanced courses in this. Some of them had private practice and used to charge for each session according to the certificate they held. They had a heirarchy and regular national and international conventions too.
All I can say is that hope lies eternal in man's breast and a suffering man is ready to catch any straw.
But personally I think it is all hogwash.
Ramarao.
  Chavda Ashok posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
Ramaraoji,
Thanks, I am sure your comment will act as an eye opener to many. I hope other sulkha bloggers too come and post their experience here.

  Krishnan Bala posted Re:Pranic Healing, No touch therapy or a fraud? on 6 mnths ago
Dear Rama Rao Sir,
                  I had for a long time ,a pretty doubt doubt on this mode of healing, but I hesitated to call the bluff since I  never went to a Pranic healer.I used to be un-impressed by the claims made but we can not refute any thing with out a proper personal study or experience. I even heard that they make X -ray type pictures indicating the knots or improper distribution of the aura lines around the body and attack the problem in a methodical manner. Now I have learned some thing from an exprienced man of considerable seniority, my doubts are set at rest.



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