Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame

started by Rashmun 5 mnths ago
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Chennai Corner
A part of the wall in Uthapuram village in Madurai district may have been finally demolished this week after nearly 20 years of dividing the upper castes from the Dalits, but untouchability is rampant in Tamil Nadu
Pushpa Iyengar


Wall Of Shame
The wall in Uthapuram village in Madurai district, part of which was finally demolished this week after nearly 20 years of dividing the upper castes from the Dalits is not the only reason we need to feel ashamed. Untouchability is rampant in the state -- ironically speeding down the IT highway with exports this year projected at Rs 25,000 crores (up from Rs 20,700 crores last year and Rs 14,400 crores the year before that.)

According to P Sampath, organiser, Untouchability Abolition Front, a study of 47 villages in Madurai district revealed that 45 of them practiced untouchability in different ways. In Andarkottaram and Thaniamangalam villages, the postman does not come calling. Dalits are expected to go to the post office to collect their mail. Barbers and dhobis don't encourage Dalits as customers, community halls and street taps are off bounds for Dalits and they are not allowed to enter temples.

And the two-tumbler system, seen even in parts of neighbouring Andhra Pradesh, has spawned seven different ways of being practiced. Talk of innovation! There's the small dot put on the tumbler served to Dalits only and in a worse manifestation, some Dalits are given tea in coconut shells. Environmentalists may applaud the latter practice, if only because the villagers here are saying no to plastic, now if only the underlying reason was so noble!

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fodname=20080508&fname=chennai&sid=1

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  Truthbetold3 posted Re:Merlot, FF - an example of sensible post: Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
Merlot and FF,

Here is a news item posted by Rashmun with whom I have had several intense discussions.  Here is a news item that questions Hinduism and its traditions.  Just for your clarity, I think this is a sensible post.  Let me explain.  This is not one of crime report where facts can be disputed. (However, I am not vouching for the authenticity of the report or facts, but that is another discussion).  

In this news item, the issue is about a practice of untouchability that pervaded hindu thinking for 100s of years and  and perverted daily activities. The writer quotes a source, and few statistics to prove her point. This is seen still seen in rural parts of the nation(I do not think TN or AP are some how more vulnerable to it than other states) and people indulge in it without even realizing it as it is the culture of the land. If you can do something about it or support people who are trying to do something about it, it would be of some value to discuss. 

Of course, you can always choose to be an arm chair critic who contributes nothing to real change.
  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:Merlot, FF - an example of sensible post: Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago

>> the issue is about a practice of untouchability that pervaded hindu thinking for 100s of years and  and perverted daily activities....This is seen still seen in rural parts of the nation ...and people indulge in it without even realizing it as it is the culture of the land.

As far as I can make out, this is the desire of 800 individuals to reside in a gated community, no different from the aspirations of their wealthy compatriots living in "NRI enclaves" on the outskirts of big cities in India and indeed, across the world, being thwarted by a socialist government that is taking away their right for seclusion and isolation from the rest of the village. As with any exclusive club, admission is only through wealth or by birth. In this particular case, it is the latter.

Since it is well established on CH that casteist discrimination in India is no longer a social problem but the work of individual bad apples, your attempt to view this routine clubby set-up as some sort of a Hindu problem shows that your only agenda is to show Hinduism in a bad light and that you are anti-Hindu. Moreover, your support for the demolition of the wall shows your nihilistic tendencies and lack of respect for individual rights, no different from the Maoists. 

In conclusion, the only logical conclusion from all your statements is that you are just another anti-Hindu Maoist agent (like all those other commies in the media) out to subvert and destroy our society.

  Truthbetold3 posted Re:Merlot, FF - an example of sensible post: Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
Comrade Merlot,

your incoherent rant just explains why you cannot understand simple things in life. Your marxist mumbo jumbo about gated communities shows you have serious lack of common sense. 

I do not have to demonstate anything to you or anybody. 

After this attempt, I will not waste my time to discuss with you logically. When you cannot make rational arguments, you spout absolute nonsense to cover up your even more incredibly stupid arguments. 
 
It is clear you are determined to just go about your anti Hinduism crusade under one pretex or other and we will continue to confront each other.  Only difference will be you are an exposed utterly idiotic anti Hindu propagandist.
  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:Merlot, FF - an example of sensible post: Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
Comrade TBT, you're confused. It is you who was unmasked in this thread as an anti-Hindu maoist. I, on the other hand, was minding my own business, enjoying a leisurely Sunday afternoon, until you baited me.

>> I do not have to demonstate anything to you or anybody

But alas, you have already demonstrated your anti-Hindu agenda by imputing casteist motives to a banal conflict between the haves and the have-nots. Furthermore, you demonstrated your Maoist beliefs by advocating destruction of a wall that the haves had erected around their gated community.

>> After this attempt, I will not waste my time to discuss with you logically

Right, go ahead and turn a necessity into a virtue. AFAIK, I've never known you to discuss anything logically - your posts are just long-winded exercises in name-calling. Seems to me that as soon as you get a taste of your own medicine, you turn tail and run away - another well-known Maoist guerialla tactic.

>> and we will continue to confront each other.

Isn't this a contradiction of your earlier promise? Actually, I don't mind confronting silly fellas like you, but it is your long-winded rambles that drive me to distraction. So if you keep up with those 500 word tirades, I'll have to regretfully continue passing up on reading them.

Btw, which part of AP did you say you are from? Telangana? That figures.
  muchocricket posted Re:Merlot, FF - an example of sensible post: Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
>> Btw, which part of AP did you say you are from? Telangana? That figures.


?????? 

  Truthbetold3 posted Re:Merlot, FF - an example of sensible post: Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
Comrade Merlot,

Your incoherent ramblings have now reached the stage of copying.  You have emulated rashmun in childishness. 

If you think people from telangana cannot think,  it shows when you run out of ideas you just find a stereotype and abuse the stereotype.  

Your actions speak for themselves.


  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:Merlot, FF - an example of sensible post: Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
>> people from telangana cannot think

Your words, Comrade, all yours. I really have no idea about the thinking prowess of the people of Telangana - to me, the word is synonymous with the Naxalite problem, my only reason for mentioning it here (in the context of you being a Maoist from AP). 

But looking at your inability to grasp a simple geographical association, maybe you do have a point. Congratulations, you've got something right after a very long time.
  Truthbetold3 posted Re:Merlot, FF - an example of sensible post: Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
Comrade Merlot,

You make bombastic statements and when you are asked to stand up behind your foul mouth, you run again. You did that again.

If we have a problem in telangana, we take care of those extrimists and terrorists. Both YSR and CBN have been successful in that regard.  We call an extremist an extrimist and deal with them unlike your method of finding execuses for Islamic religious fundmental extremistsand cover them. 

If you accept that Proletariat dictatorship is NOT the best form of government, may be we can drop Comrade tag. Otherwise change your handle or stick around at your own peril.
  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:Merlot, FF - an example of sensible post: Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
>> You make bombastic statements and when you are asked to stand up behind your foul mouth, you run again.

Is that what the voices in your head tell you, comrade? I'm really curious to know what are these "bombastic* statements" I made. Perhaps you could ask those voices on my behalf?

>> If you accept that Proletariat dictatorship is NOT the best form of government, may be we can drop Comrade tag.

I must again bring to your attention that you're terribly muddled up. Remember, it is you who is the Maoist and therefore a believer in proletariat dictatorship, not me. So I don't carry the Comrade tag anyway, but you do. Comrade Unkil.

*I hope you realize that by using the word "bombastic" you've revealed your true vintage. Henceforth, you shall be called Maoist Unkil aka Comrade Unkil.








  sara Boji posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
what an irony!

Pushpa Iyngar, a Brahmin reporting on untouchability practiced by Non-Brahmin upper casts against dalits.

In the past the word untouchability conjured image of a brahmin staying away from a sudra.

  Impedimenta posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
ok. your previous post link does not work. u may have linked the wrong line. and this post is misleading. while the title says chennai corner, it talks abt madurai and neighbouring AP. pliss to call madurai vaasis and the BASH brothers to respond. 

lastly, u must have something better to do, something more interesting than this.

  Uppili posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
To Whom it may concern:

Maywati may be a Dalit BUT became the CM only last year.

But, MK who HAS been ruling TN for half the time between 1969 to 2008.

To those who want to add to their all-knowing Tamil Expertise: 

MK belongs to the Barber - untouchable community. His son is maried to a Brahmin woman.

EVR Naicker - the great proponent of untouchables and an opponent of Brahmins and BrahminiSM in TN belonged to the Upper caste which is at the forefront of such barbaric practices against the very same untouchables.

  Truthbetold3 posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
Impedimenta, 

"pliss to call madurai vaasis and the BASH brothers to respond."

So you reserve your impreganble defences to Chennai only?

  Rashmun posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
i was just shocked when i read this. i am pretty sure something similar takes place in u.p., but not to this degree because the chief minister of u.p. is a dalit.

the previous post link required registration at the site. in the present post i only gave the title what the writer had given. but do note that i only gave an extract from her article 'Chennai Corner'. Here is the link:

chennai corner

i am in office right now and about to head home. have been working all day today actually.
  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
did you move back to desh?
  Rashmun posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
i am in desh right now. coming to the u.s. next month.
  Truthbetold3 posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
Why don't you find some thing to do in desh and stay there a little longer, may be like for ever?  

Just Kidding.
  Impedimenta posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
i, OTOH, would like u both to get together and fight while i eat my pop corn and watch the drama unfold, ROLFing all the while because more often than not, u guys end up MISSING the point and indulging in personal attacks, in the name of constructive debate:-) 
just kidding, i am not.
  Uppili posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago
One popcorn a day puts on a pound a day, while 1 mile a day reduces one pound a week.

Or..Ek popcorn ek din tum 1 pound weight put onko, el mile run karna tum 1 pound lose karna hai.



  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Tamil Nadu: Wall of Shame on 5 mnths ago






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