rashmun's real motives
started by MaxEntropy_Man 2 mnths agoReplies
1. marry a fair skinned tambram woman with childbearing hips and produce 16 untermensch of pure UP brahmin lineage.
2. teach them that hindi is the best language and akbar is the greatest emperor ever, send them to tamilnadu hinterlands to convert them to hindi speaking islamis. he'll then be the overlord of this large populace of fanatical islamic and hindi loving tamilians.
he's got grand designs fo sho
"I dunno about his fetish for fair skinned and all....."
I believe fetish for fair skinned exists all over India. I could be wrong but very unlikely.
Hindi is a genuine language and has a real history spanning several thousand years. In grade 9 (early 1960s), I took a course “Hindi Sahitya ki Katha” (“the story of Hindi literature”), there was also a book under that name, which basically described in detail how the language (Hindi) had developed / evolved over a long time. Hindi development / evolution can be understood from the way English has changed (e.g. going from Chaucer’s time to modern style).
one example of hindi extremism is to wilfully purge hindi of any words of persian origin from the language. I recall one relative telling me not to use the phrase 'usne bola' since the word 'bola' is apparently of persian origin. i was asked to instead use the alternative phrase 'usne kahaa' since the word kahaa is of sanskrit origin.
Shuddha hindi would of course use only the word 'kahaa' and not 'bola' but in Khari boli (the spoken language of the common man) either word can be used.
another example is to use obscure hindi words (like the hindi word 'tinker' for telephone) which nobody uses instead of the commonly used words which may have been borrowed from other languages.
Agreed 200%
>> one example of hindi extremism is to wilfully purge hindi of any words of persian origin from the language
Agreed 100%
Do you have another example of Hindi extremism ?
--> i reject the usage of esoteric hindi words (which some hindi extremists indulge in) in hindi conversation or writing instead of using equivalent simpler and commonly used words borrowed from other languages. i prefer simplicity in language.
i reject the usage of esoteric hindi words (which some hindi extremists indulge in) in hindi conversation or writing instead of using equivalent simpler and commonly used words borrowed from other languages. i prefer simplicity in language.
>>> These are individuals' personal choices, based on their social and educational backgrounds etc., to use special words and phrases in their lingos. Others can't and shouldn't try to regulate them or make a fuss of them.
Just because some north Indians don't use articles in their English or use only simple English words and phrases while whiting or speaking should not be a consideration that people like Max also speak and write like them (using simple words etc. and skipping the articles).
Same thing applies to Hindi. If you like to write and speak simple Hindi, that’s your choice; but you can’t establish or justify your style (speaking and writing) as a standard for everyone else.
The Hindi zealots introduced highly Sanskritised Hindi, which went over the heads of average people. Lots of jokes used to be prevalent. What is the Hindi word for 'Handkerchief'? Reply: Mikha marzana vastrakhand. What is the equivalent of a 'Necktie'? Reply: Kantha Langot. What is the word for 'Rail Signal'? Reply: Agni vahana gamana agamana suchak loh patika. This was not the language Gandhi and Nehru had in mind. But who would listen? AIR became the touchstone for Hindi words. Thanks to Hindi Film Industry, they had to sell their pictures to people in the street. So they stuck to bazari language. For instance 'Shadi shuda' is a wholly Persian/Urdu word for a married person. In today's Hindi, nobody uses the correct Hindi word Vivahit. Similarly other words like Guftagu (Dialogue/Conversation), Hubahu (Identical), Rubaru (Face to face). These are all Persian and thereby Urdu words. But then any language is enriched by borrowings from other languages. English is replete with words borrowed from Greek and Latin. Some French words are used in their original form viz: Debris, Buffet, A la carte etc. In fact Algebra, Alcohal are Arabic words.
http://www.milchar.com/Sept2002/11.html
The Hindi zealots introduced highly Sanskritised Hindi, which went over the heads of average people.
>>> Nobody takes these things seriously, except a few people expressing their personal preferences every now and then (like Max's concern about north Indians not using articles in their English), so you need not lose any sleep over this.
>>> That type of attitude involving Hindi is quite rare among Indians (Hindians, using Kayal's lingo), and it usually has surfaced in the past mainly as an unfortunate reaction to linguistic talk / plans in Pakistan to ‘purify’ Urdu by deleting Sanskrit / Hindi words and substituting them with Persian and Arabic words. It is not a major concern for anybody in
when did i say that hindi is not a language, i only said that hindi has several dialects like bhojpuri, braja, awadhi, etc.
i feel your pain about the news of hindi day being celebrated in tamil nadu and tamils arguing for propagation of hindi.
>>> i quote you verbatim from a prior post on the language wars thread:
>>> I can understand and communicate in khari boli but i can only understand to some extent the hindi dialects (spoken in rural areas and spoken by people who originate from rural areas) and cannot carry out a conversation in these dialects. Indeed the differences amongst these dialects are so major that some of them almost feel like different languages. I personally know people who are fluent in a specific hindi dialect but utterly ignorant about the other dialects.
>>> the bolded part of the quote is certainly an admission, even if an indirect one, that there is no such language as hindi. why do you continue to claim the importance of a language that doesn't even exist according to you?
i am sure there are many tamils who would be unable to carry out a conversation in the heavily sanskritised tamil brahmin dialect.
some of the hindi dialects sound very different.
>>> There are many reasons for a language used over a large area to appear to have several forms (dialects). For example, different people in society – reflecting different educational, social and economic backgrounds -- use different types of the same language in terms of words, phrases and related rules of grammar.
Note that a New Englander majoring in English at Harvard is going to be speaking and writing English differently than a native Texan majoring in Auto Mechanics at a community college in the heartland of
But their different linguistic styles, you may call them separate dialects, don’t mean that there are two separate languages or that English as a single language does not exist. Similarly, it probably is not right to say that one person speaks and writes English better than other, because ‘better’ essentially depends on their individual needs (local, work related etc.) and conditions (level of education, socio-economic etc.). Thus even when you call a language to have two different styles (dialects), the language basically still remains same (one).
hindi dialects like braja/bhojpuri etc. share a significant amount of common vocabulory but the pronounciation of the words is what makes them different from khari boli. I can understand to some extent someone speaking these dialects but i cannot speak these dialects. and yet if i spend a couple of months in places where these dialects is spoken i am pretty sure i'll be talking the local dialect.
secondly what makes khari boli distinct from the hindi dialects like braja/awadhi/bhojpuri etc. is that u have many words of persian origin in khari boli but they are very rare (though not non-existent--u have a few words of persian origin in tulsidas's ramcharitmanas written in awadhi) in the hindi dialects. I think the persian words in khari boli make it a richer language since it can draw upon a base of words of both sanskrit origin and persian origin. the fact that it is the language of the common man ensures that it has a certain simplicity and a certain beauty about it.
>>> in that case make a case for khadi boli as the national language. not that i'll support you, but at least your actions will be logically consistent.
with respect to english note that cockney english and welsh english is a lot different from ordinary english and a person speaking in cockney or welsh will in all probability not be intelligible to someone born and brought up in london.
with respect to chinese mandarin speakers may or may not be able to comprehend cantonese and vice versa. likewise for the other chinese dialects like shanghaiwa, hangzhouwa, etc.
CH is like a soap opera. You come back and the same things are still going on.