poverty, obesity, and politics

started by MaxEntropy_Man 3 mnths ago
i was watching CNN while getting ready for work this morning and they did this usual fattest states feature that they do from time to time. it struck me that all the states that suffer from epidemic proportions of obesity are southern, poor, and republican. i wonder why that is so. the republicans are the ones who are supposedly the wealth creators, the budget trimmers, and small government people, but those states that consistently elect republicans are also some of the poorest in the country. i think what is true is that the republicans are more adept at selling a bunch of  socially conservative policies which excite poor slack-jawed southerners, who buy the republican bill of goods to their own detriment.

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  Classical? Myfoot!! posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
 Oh boy !! Your "scientific" thinking always reminds me of this scientist joke .   With your tendency to jump to conclusions with inadequate data and wishing to apply your stereotypical biases to arrive at favorable conclusions , do you really want me to beleive that you are a real scientist ?
If so , I can easily guess the quality of your work.

If you really read any of the news where that came from , all of them mentioned the cooking habits and diets of the southerners.
  mf02 posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
Haha! I can't believe what a Homecoming week this has turned out to be :-) Long time, C?MF!!


  Persepolis posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
That's exactly it.  They're proponents of small and lean government and don't believe in spending money on too many programs to fight obesity.  Actually, no, that's not it.  A lot of these states have traditionally eaten unhealthy food.  They can't change the palate that they were raised on so easily.  Fried chicken, fried green tomatoes, and fried okra followed by some pecan paaah-ay (pie).

Just like you can't stop eating Indian food and start eating Caesar salad with Worchestershire dressing, steamed salmon, grilled veggies, and cantaloupe for lunch and dinner everyday, more often than not.  You have to have eaten it on a regular basis before the age of 21 to like it everyday.
  Persepolis posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
I should change that to fraah-ed chicken, fraah-ed okra, etc.


  tejasvee posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
Folks along the 'Dixie alley' tend to be more conservative for historic reasons. People along the coasts are more liberal. Even in India, more liberal folks are found along the coasts, compared to gangetic plains.

Reps gel fine with conservative and Dems gel well with liberal. 

Obesity has nothing to do with political support. It's just based on lifestyle & industries involved. Most of midwest and south has agriculture, lifestyle & industry suited for putting on more weight.
  Propagandhi122 posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
"Most of midwest and south has agriculture, lifestyle & industry suited for putting on more weight."

extrapolating, the closer you are to food sources, the fatter you get. hmmm


  Amerasian posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago

"but those states that consistently elect republicans are also some of the poorest in the country."

That shows personal income is not a factor as far as people's affinity towards a political party is concerned. The dem. party is known for raising taxes and soft on crime. In the south, gun control laws are very important. A lot of people perceive the dem. party as being too african-american friendly. So, there are many factors involved in choosing a political party. Virginia is predominantly a rep. party state. However, we have had two dem. governors in a row, and the virginians elected a dem. senator in the last elections. IMO, there are a lot of moderate dems and reps in majority of the states, who could vote either way, depending upon the candidate(s).

  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago

Have you considered the link to education? Poverty results in an ill-educated electorate incapable of seeing through demagogery and knowing where their best interests lie. 

Hence that inability to see the sense in gun control or the undue importance given to marginal issues like abortion, lapel-pins, school prayer etc.

  Amerasian posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
Well...., Louisiana had been a predominantly a dem. state for a long time. Now, I think there are a lot voters there who can vote either way. It's a state where standards of education are rather low. If you take state by state and analyze, you will find that there is just not one or a few factors that persuade people to become dems. or reps..



  Maria S posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago


I am in one of those states with plenty of slack-jawed southerners.

However..I don't think it has much (perhaps just  a little with politicians and politics)...I do not know how they collects the stats, but it certainly seems slanted and too generalized.

*While the Senators and Gov are Republican...MOST of the local politicians  (Mayors, State Rep, State Senators, County Commissions) are Democrats..so there are enough politicians who are to be blamed.

There are certainly the- "Two Americas" very obvious here...where I am...within a few miles of where I live..we have the poorest of the poor in the US (predominantly Black- but also about 30% white).....but, within a few miles of where I live...we have a huge lake with lake front properties of home which cost not less than a few million dollars- with all the state-of-the-art amenities and very wealthy people...we have all the latest cars on our rural roads.....but, one hospital for six counties..the disparities are glaring...with plenty of contradictions.

*Yes we have state-of-the-art Gyms and plenty of diet foods, and plenty of people who are in their 70s and 80s who are still healthy...but the the hereditary factors..for diabetes, obesity, hypertension, hypercholestrolemia...can't be ignored.

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  MaxEntropy_Man posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
>>> but i think it does have a lot to do with politics -- at least the obesity. the republicans have health care policies which really hurt those in the lowest rungs of the economic spectrum badly -- whites and blacks. and yet these people, especially the poor whites are the ones consistently electing republicans in national elections thereby shooting themselves in the foot. what gives?
  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
>> what gives?

The irrationality of man. It's so easy to distract people from their real problems with contrived issues that appeal to the basest of their instincts - hatred. 

It's no different in India. This guy could be a daily-wager living on the footpath, struggling to earn one square meal a day but will happily spend half a day listening to some hate-mongering demagogue and then go out and join some mob out to create trouble.
  KOKKEE posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
Are you saying, it is like the nazzi type propaganda works always..even with people in industrialized, educated, affluent nations?
  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago

Yes. Hate-mongering works across socio-economic and geographic boundaries. It blinds people to the real and more immediate problems.

But while a prosperous shop-keeper loses nothing sitting in his A/C store in Chandni Chowk and blustering about chasing "them" all out of the country, that daily-wager pays a real price for losing sight of his real issues. Instead of fighting for a better public transport system, for example, which would let him travel farther, to a better-paying job, Mr. Easily-Distracted is likely to end up wasting his energy (and losing the day's wages) burning down a blue-line bus protesting (a) on behalf of some pilgrims interested in gawking at a penis-shaped icicle in faraway Amarnath or (b) against some cartoon published in faraway Denmark.






  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago
>> republicans are more adept at selling a bunch of  socially conservative policies which excite poor slack-jawed southerners, who buy the republican bill of goods to their own detriment.

  Vivek posted Re:poverty, obesity, and politics on 3 mnths ago

Darn.... I thought you were talking about NI, or something which is not an issue in SI.



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