Forget and fogive ?

started by JustToRant 5 mnths ago
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How hard it is to forget and forgive those who treated you badly? Disagreements or improper choice of words which have hurt you deeply are difficult to heal and it is so tough to overlook those words and incidents and act normal or try to bring back the relationship to the original level.
 
Why it is so hard to forgive if the offenders are close related (like siblings)?
 
Any thoughts?
 
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  Uppili posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
It all depends on the person.  If you are one that tend to get hurt and take care not to hurt others, then you are likely to be hurt badly with arrow-like words.

You may forgive and live and let live, esepcially if you are in an unenviable position of having to deal with that person - sibling, parents, kids, spouse.  You may forgive wholeheartedly and even have a strong relationship over time if the otehr person GENUINELY feels sorry and apologizes and makes it upto you by not repeating such words.....
Still you may NEVER forget - again depending on your personality.

  Ponniyin Selvan posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
If you are not going to forget and forgive your sibling you can never forgive anyone.

But i won't be surprised if there are people who won't forgive their siblings / parents. recently i heard that one of my relatives (estranged brothers) did not turn up even for his mom's death. that's pretty sad.
  VBee posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Selvan ji,On the contrary its easy to forgive others but not siblings.Wounds will be more deep from  loved ones.
vandana
  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
you paining my nuts. go away
  VBee posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
okay then byeee



  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago


  deep purple posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
4 key pieces of info missing - 

1. your gender
2. your sibling's gender
3. age difference
4. your ages at time of incident

without this - no one answer fits all.
  JustToRant posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago

I am a male and I thought the profile says that.

All the other info may not be needed. I could say the sibling is elder to me by 10+  years. Incident happened less than 6 months ago.  

  deep purple posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
all the other info is needed. for all i know you cd be 14 and he or she cd be 24. if elder is a married sister, it changes the situation as well.



  gyanputra posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
You should be more selfless; do kick the offender straight in the nuts, that will remind the person not to do certain things to others. Otherwise dont take it to your heart and complicate your life.  Siblings will remain siblings- no worry on that count.
Revenge is second best if you can't forgive, it is still way ahead than doing nothing.

  Iwanttoknowmore posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
 headphones and TOOL


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  RS-K posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
A sibling is always fogiven and the deed forgotten. No other way about it. No matter how hurtful their words were. No doubt about it. 

Well, I am the youngest one in the family, I am used to get beaten around anyways.

Outsiders, I forgive them too, always, but never forget.
  JustToRant posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
How? You just speak and act as if nothing happened before? If you could do that, I should applaud you for that.

  RS-K posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
No. With siblings, there is a lot of history to fall back upon. You grow up together. There are so many memories and common experiences. That bond itself should be able to wipe out momentary misunderstandings. 

I have never held a grudge (or for too long) against my immidiate and close family - even in-laws. There are some cousins that I absolutely can't tolerate. But we stay cordial. But no big altercations so far. I diffuse the situation before it gets to it.

My friends atually used to joke in college - "You fight with the whole world, but chup chap agree to anything that your family says to you". 




  JustToRant posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Thanks for the replies.

Now more questions.

In my situation, when I was down, my sibling  hit me with strong words instead of soothing  or helping words. So now when I am able to stand up, I donot feel like communicating normally with them and always their past actions and words resurface in my mind which puts me off to act and speak normal with them


  star light posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Act like nothing happened.  But if you as a family is doing well and is happier than them, it is the best revenge.

  Uppili posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
If it is between two women - it is easiER to get ove it.

If it is between a brother and a sister - much more difficult as the the TWO SILs will be the key to the mystery.

Two brothers - fat chance as the relationship would have spilled over to the thw wives making them feel even worse...

  Currer Bell posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago

OK - this info helps a bit. 

Assuming that you want to keep a good rel'ship with them, meet and talk about this. Tell them "I'm not sure if you remember, but when I was down, you said this to me. "  Make sure you're not accusatory or put them on the defensive.

If you don't want to do anything with them, you can distance yourself from them.

  VBee posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Distancing will be helpful, but if its just two children in the family  may be they will feel extremely lonely after wards.
Mostly when siblings fight,it might not be really confined to the topic, instead, lot of childhood might emerge,partial Parental affections or how these 2 kids conceived the sharing of parental love also plays a big role.
Vandana


  Tiana posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
In this case, act normal. That would be your best revenge. And when they think you are past everything, bring it up and let them know. They should know what they did.

T
  mf02 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
And when they think you are past everything, bring it up and let them know.

See!! That's exactly I was saying that a woman will/can do and men won't but CB won't agree with me :))
  Tiana posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
It's not about a man or woman- it's about an individual opinion. Maria will definitely not suggest doing any of this. Doe sthat make her a man?:d

T
  mf02 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Disclaimer: Exceptions do exist. (c) Uppili




  deep purple posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
whats the age difference between u and ur siblings. a father like sibling often talks tough to make u stand up.


  Currer Bell posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago

I think if you still remember the pain, you haven't forgiven the person. If it's a friend then you have to weight the value and importance of the rel'ship and if it's worth holding on to. As for siblings and family members, it's a lot harder because of the connection and history -- and the expectations (all siblings should be happy forever).

People don't change. You can't change people -- only change yourself and how to react to them.
You have to accept them for who they are and as they are. If people continue to treat you badly, then you have to distance yourself from them. But, it shouldn't be about ego. 

(*cough*deep purple*cough*)

 

 


  VBee posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Its difficult to forgive especially if it is our own sibling's.In my view point  its more easy to forget than forgive.Its more like scratches in the heart ,which is for ever.Inspite of numerous patches we apply to cover it, its all ripe under.Some thing we can do is, put two chairs facing each other, first sit on rs and express the hurts we felt and then in other chair and talk for r sibling.May be the siblings have been going through hell ,we will never know.
regards Vandana

  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
you ppl are petty. I always forgive AND forget if my sibling hurt me. that's the only way to do it.
  Uppili posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
It means you have not been hurt bad enough.... wait for a few more years.

  Tiana posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
And it would never bother you that your sibling was not very nice to you??

T
  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
nah. I got a wide tolerance range when it comes to parents, siblings and even wife. not saying I wont sound irritable, but I forgive and forget pretty much anything when it comes to my inner circle.


  VBee posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago

       
Good, if its easy for u ....

  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
its easy for me coz my sibling is better and more mature than me.
  VBee posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago

so ur sibling first does the forgiving part  and in turn that would make it easy for u also to forgive  rt?




  mf02 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
I don't know why the poster chose a Male profile but it's obvious that you will find difference between male and female opinion on this one.. It's difficult for women to forget and forgive while men, they just move on and don't keep the grudge :-)

Disclaimer: Exceptions do exist. (c) Uppili
  Currer Bell posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
See - I wouldn't make this a male/female thing. I'm more inclined to make it a elder-younger sibling issue. It seems the elder siblings are more forgiving of the younger ones.

I know brothers who don't speak to each other . But then there are brothers who are close inspite of the younger one using the older one all the time (older one knows it, but feels obligated). 
  mf02 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Naah! It's not cut n dry between elder and younger..I have seen other way around as well..Anyway, you will find many more women holding grudge against their parents/siblings than men....

The chances are that those brothers do not speak because their wives do not get along!
  Currer Bell posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
So how about we just say it depends on the people and stop trying to generalize between groups??

  mf02 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
LOL! That won't be as much fun, will it be? If we just start agreeing on every thing..what's the need to come here ;-)
  JustToRant posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
You are right on the dot:) 






  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
yeah....women and their devious ways. what's new?

  VBee posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Perhaphs ,men forgive siblings more and take it out  on other relation ships eh?
  mf02 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
No ma'am! From my own experiences and observations, it's women again who take it out on the other relationships! Not men, we would deal with that person/situation directly rather than tangentially...

Disclaimer: Exceptions do exist. (c) Uppili
  VBee posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Then sir, what u do?Are you trying not to register it as hurts?
  mf02 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago

I would be direct and upfront about it rather than holding it back and bringing it 10 years down the line!

  VBee posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
People play lot of games ,just to pin down th opponent /sibling in this case. so situation may not always be favourable.




  Mr. T posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
Well,

New flash...we men have other things in mind then think of way of taking it out on our wives 24/7.

  Propagandhi12 posted Re:Forget and fogive ? on 5 mnths ago
I dont remember ever beating up on my wife coz my parents or brother pissed me off. if you got someone that does it, they're immature dickweed smokers.