desis are first to disown culture
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Western culture, pomp and show, materialism has always been an alure for Hindus in India. All this has grown mani-folds in the last 30 years and is here to stay in this time and age. It will grow even stronger.
Hindu culture on the other hand tell humans about simplicity, sacrifice, non-external living, the soul, which BTW is fast becoming a thing of the past. You will be surprised to hear, that the Hindu humans are running away faster from the above Hindu teachings and norms in India than in USA.
Acceptance of the west, the fairer genre and a supposidly stronger race pushes Hindus to other religions, which BTW they don't know anything about either and think is better than what they are.
Plus, these Hindus don't know anything about Hinduism that I mentioned above. Unfortunately they are stuck with a Hindu name, and a brown skin, and they actively work to get away from atleast one of the two.
desi culture reeks of hypocrisy. if i have to acknowledge i am an indian i am fine with it, but if i have to acknowledge that i am an indian who follows such and such a methodology then i have problems joining the guild.
Well no matter what white skin is something that is not attainable and people yearn for what they dont have, so long as it holds their fancy good for them, if they want to embrace church snow white weddings, its ok too.. xtian first names are ok too so long as they have good meanings... and are easily pronounceable and kids like being called by those names.... anything and any kind of adjustment that helps them belong and dosent make them feel like an outsider.
girls pay for weddings in amru side so whatever way they choose is the best for them, maybe it was their dream and they'd like to have sweet memories. The brides look gorgeous as opposed to indian brides.
I think intercultural spouses no matter within indians or outside with phirangs.. face a bunch of cultural differences and they don't need further malignation. If they survive and they've got the best they can get, more power to them i say. If you can feel like you belong there with a person of an opposite culture, what's so demeaning in that.
In a marriage what is most important is love, trust, equality, respect, independence......
One should analyse what made the spouse change his/her religion before concluding that converting to another religion, or accepting a different culture is wrong. Besides....these couple are adults & they are welcome to choose whatever religion they feel is fit for them. Yes, there are cases of forceful conversions (specially for women in India)..since most legal/official govt documents give priority & importance to the Father/Male than the mother/female...(ofcourse there are new rules which are changing that & trying to give equal importance to females/mothers too).
But amongst the crossover marriages, there is a sizeable percentage of couples who have managed well in balancing both their culture & also their original religion...while honoring their spouses religion, culture too.
Disowning original culture to adopt another one doesnt mean that the person is no longer cultured..... the person could still be cultured after adopting, adapting another culture. I think this is more a case specific topic...where you need to go by what made the cultural change/religion change in each of such cases.
Thank you! Finally, someone brought up the most important factors of marriage. Unfortunately, a lot of Indian parents who insist that their children have arranged marriages do not understand. They are more interested in other factors such as caste, money, doctor or not....etc.
Hindus outwardly pretend to be very liberal and all that but somewhere within they still stick to the old theories and some overtly convoluted "sutras" which are of no use today.I would rather recommend amendment of those sutras since now our sciences are based on things like atomic theories and cell biology.Those sutras are not only insuffifcient to ovverride modern theories and related systems but IMO are simply too complex or at times just redundant.Hindus have borrowed a lot of things from Islam and other religions,but this tendecy to fuse things is not very good.It creates a confused society.
IMO,hinduism needs strict underwriting and controlling bodies.Ever since the begining every tom dick and harry qualifies himself as a hindu and starts a new "path".Hinduism inherently precribes to the exclusion theory and hence "number" does not matter.What matters is the quality...? :).As contradictory this may sound ,it only shows what hinduism can make of us.
Even after reading many posts I still wonder what is Hindu culture?..
"If spirituality, respect, simplicity, humility, soul-searching are the signs of a weak backward culture then I'm the weakest"
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I must be from the same cultural roots too...(the rest I can't comment!)
Just another pretty weak human, I guess:)
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M
Maria, I think in essence that's Indian, so I know where we are from. :)
But the culture itself belongs to that land which is fast disowning what it stood for.
But the culture itself belongs to that land which is fast disowning what it stood for.
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:)
Perhaps I am a little more optimistic than you..there will always those who will strive to "keep those fundamentals/core values"....even if "external circumstances" change- the world continues to change...
M
There was Vedic dharma then Sanatana dharma then Shaivism/Vaishnavism/Shakism then many more branches & amalgamations. Yes, a few breakway factions of this 'Indic' family like Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism.
Some like Veerashaivism got merged back to 'Hindu' fold after centuries of trying to be different.
At the end of the day, there is not a single person who can say that he/she is a 'perfect' Hindu. On the flip side, the whole world can be termed as 'Hindu' using liberal definitions. Even Mother Theresa was a great Hindu in my definition. That's the beauty of a religion or way of life that see universal 'inclusion'.
I'm trying to understand your assertion,
1. Desi Hindus marry non-Desi non-Hindus, convert out of Hinduism and turn virulently anti-Hindu.
2. By Desi Hindus, do you mean Hindus who were born in India?.
If you are talking about Hindus who were born in India, I think I can agree with that.
But I have read a survey that in America, Hindus have the biggest percentage of retaining their religion. it is strange, in US, people belonging to different denominations of Christianity think they are all different religions. I believe Roman Catholicism is considered a different religion than the mainstream protestants. Maria can explain that further, I think.
So, moving to a different religion can be considered a part of American culture. 
What is culture?
What is desi culture?
What is American Culture? In other words, do Americans have a culture like the British have their culture or the French?
Without defining the parameters of anybody's cuture, I think, it is futile to discuss about anybody's culture. That anybody could be an individual, a community from one Kula, or many communities from one Desh. The entire population of a country or the population of the entire world, against the Aliens.
Regards.
Rajaputhran.
Case #2 My cousin married a white guy. She took 4-5 years in finally taking the plunge with him. Her son's name is also Indian. And he speaks very good Hindi. Looks totally white, even though she insists his hair is not that blonde. His mundan was done, and he regularly goes to the temple. He stopped eating beef for her sake. And yeah, many nights a week, the food is daal-sabzi, even though he does a little bit of his own bbq when he reached home before her.
One two interracial marriages I have seen in my family, and in both the cases, the Indian side is stronger.
These are the Hindu mothers we need from India. Unfortunately, Hindu women are the first ones to disown their Hindu upbringing. I maybe find 2 or 3 family women out of 30 who I can associate with the above.
I see 10 times more Chinese taking up 'American' first names, which mostly tend to be Christian in origin, compared to desi Hindus. Not diving in lines to 'anglicize' the first names tells me that Indian Hindus are more connected with their culture compared to Chinese for example.
Still desis keep the tough names.. that tells me that desis aren't the first in jumping off the 'culture' boat.
tejasvee :
'Kshitij'.. He just couldn't get the 'shit' sound in that name! 
Something like Sheila Dick Shit?
Regards.
Rajaputhran.