Tamilians
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There is nothing right with Tamilians and neither anything wrong.
Tamilians are morons, just like people from any other state in India and they are smart just like others are.
Dude, Tamilians did not fall from the sky, so don't be fearful. Lastly they don't own any land in any part of the world. Tamilians are born out of sexapades just like any other North Indian and Tamils just live in TN till some die and others are born.
Now, what's the problem that you are having.
Tamilians are morons, just like people from any other state in India and they are smart just like others are.
Dude, Tamilians did not fall from the sky, so don't be fearful. Lastly they don't own any land in any part of the world. Tamilians are born out of sexapades just like any other North Indian and Tamils just live in TN till some die and others are born.
Now, what's the problem that you are having.
deep purple:
What an abysmal post ? There is no head, body or foot to the garbage that has come out of your key-board? In other words, it surprises me with its vacuity. But what surprised me most, was the response from intelligent ? members of Sulekha, to this tripe. I am sure, you are laughing up your sleeve, having exposed the Medhavilasam of our Members.
Have you noticed, if not already done, that each Member has gone on a tangent, as it suited his/her convenience. Some on the NI / SI divide, some on the Tamilian / Non-Tamilian issue, some on the Aryan / Dravidian Myth, yet again, some on the DK / DMK vs. Mylapore Brahminical antecedents.
All said, an excellent post, which has exposed the combined Avidya of the Members of Sulekha, (including myself, as I am yet to understand the import of your post).
Kudos.
Regards.
Rajaputhran.
What an abysmal post ? There is no head, body or foot to the garbage that has come out of your key-board? In other words, it surprises me with its vacuity. But what surprised me most, was the response from intelligent ? members of Sulekha, to this tripe. I am sure, you are laughing up your sleeve, having exposed the Medhavilasam of our Members.
Have you noticed, if not already done, that each Member has gone on a tangent, as it suited his/her convenience. Some on the NI / SI divide, some on the Tamilian / Non-Tamilian issue, some on the Aryan / Dravidian Myth, yet again, some on the DK / DMK vs. Mylapore Brahminical antecedents.
All said, an excellent post, which has exposed the combined Avidya of the Members of Sulekha, (including myself, as I am yet to understand the import of your post).
Kudos.
Regards.
Rajaputhran.
Vanakkam Sir:
You made me smile for sure :)
Actually, this post had come out few minutes after some exchanges with Kayal Vizhi - reading his/her posts as to how Indian army has occupied TN, and his persistent anti-national posts on CH using TN as a separate country, flag and what not. I had questioned the audacity of KV to shamelessly post repeatedly "divide India" kind of posts, without much questioning.
This post was in that context. I know KV is an exception on CH. Just wanted to find out as to what makes KV believe that they do have a point.
I apologize if I added to the very thing that I was trying to fight with KV. But I have no regrets, as almost all Tamilians on CH have come out as proud Indians. I hope the same passion is shown next time paid LTTE terrorist KV dares to post his propoganda on Sulekha.
Warm regards,
TS.
You made me smile for sure :)
Actually, this post had come out few minutes after some exchanges with Kayal Vizhi - reading his/her posts as to how Indian army has occupied TN, and his persistent anti-national posts on CH using TN as a separate country, flag and what not. I had questioned the audacity of KV to shamelessly post repeatedly "divide India" kind of posts, without much questioning.
This post was in that context. I know KV is an exception on CH. Just wanted to find out as to what makes KV believe that they do have a point.
I apologize if I added to the very thing that I was trying to fight with KV. But I have no regrets, as almost all Tamilians on CH have come out as proud Indians. I hope the same passion is shown next time paid LTTE terrorist KV dares to post his propoganda on Sulekha.
Warm regards,
TS.
deep purple :
Ah soo? Kayal Vizhi, whom somebody wrongly called Paayal? She knows me intimately as she addresses me as "Natha", Vaidyanatha, to be exact, when others address me as Rajaputhran. [Natha, in Tamil is an honorific for a husband] She is from a very good family, but very poor, and like everybody else in India her parents, wanted her to have a higher education, but with no wherewithal. That is when, she applied to a very inviting post on the internet promising the applicant with a life time opportuity of an education in the U S of A. Again, as is wont with the majority of Indians, she did not read the fineprint.
It was a site hosted by the LTTE or its sympathisers, and one condition of having accepted their largesse is to sing peans to the LTTE and its monster of a commander, Velupilli Pirabakaran.
Her intentions are good. Very soon she will complete her education, and it is my belief that she will come back to India, and in-to my fold !! ?
Rajaputhran.
Ah soo? Kayal Vizhi, whom somebody wrongly called Paayal? She knows me intimately as she addresses me as "Natha", Vaidyanatha, to be exact, when others address me as Rajaputhran. [Natha, in Tamil is an honorific for a husband] She is from a very good family, but very poor, and like everybody else in India her parents, wanted her to have a higher education, but with no wherewithal. That is when, she applied to a very inviting post on the internet promising the applicant with a life time opportuity of an education in the U S of A. Again, as is wont with the majority of Indians, she did not read the fineprint.
It was a site hosted by the LTTE or its sympathisers, and one condition of having accepted their largesse is to sing peans to the LTTE and its monster of a commander, Velupilli Pirabakaran.
Her intentions are good. Very soon she will complete her education, and it is my belief that she will come back to India, and in-to my fold !! ?
Rajaputhran.
Hi VP - Is this a joke about KV, or are you serious?
deep purple :
Suffice it to say that it is a googly. Let go the Poor Girl !
Regards.
Rajaputhran.
Suffice it to say that it is a googly. Let go the Poor Girl !
Regards.
Rajaputhran.
What we see, is not.
What we see not, is.
Oh God! - Why are you such?
Thanks VP for letting me know. Incomplete knowledge is dangerous indeed.
DP,
U asked a question- How can one impose any language} And I have to answer as we are facing exactly that.
1] Hindi is the national language and English is an additional official languge what will be subsequently removed when hindi gets accepted in the southern belt.
{} Tamils perceive it as imposition. We dont even know to speak our national languge as it is not even remotely connected to our tongue. We are not any less patriotic tho'. So u mean if we are to get acknowledged as patriotic, we have to learn hindi. IT is not a nice way of doing it. So irritable, really.
Just because the hindi biggies think that English as national language is slavery.
2}So far UPSC exams have been in English. Now the northies felt sorry for the intelligent rural guys in hindi belt who will feel sorry for tamil, mallu, golti and kannad rurals who don't know both hindi and English, but greatly intelligent and experts in their own mothertongue?
So we demand that papers get translated in our respective languages which are as precious for us , as urs is for u.
But hindi biggies think it is bad and wrong.
3} IF ever we learn hindi and speak it, esp those who are working in north, the sonority of our own tongues gets into our voices and our local tongues' influence get into hindi as urs get into english. While English people don't mind when we speak english as we do, u hindi walllahs laugh and poke fun of our Hindi and behave so snobbish that we feel so self consious and withdrawn.
4}Look WITHIN URSELF for the troubles caused. Dont look WITHOUT. What tamils are doing is just a defence mechanism, that's all. U correct urself and then the rest of the world gets straight by itself
5}Shed hindi one upmanship.
MAke English the sole NAtional language.
MAke arrangements for studying south languages in the north and north languages(also oriya, marathi. gujj, they are no less beautiful) in south as a national policy towards national integration; through, Hindi PRachar sabha, name could be changed to Akhil bharatheeya bhashayen prachar sabha
Will that happen?
No...
Because, the voice of reason is always low in India
Majority wins even if it is wrong.
So it is minority voice will get muffled.
They are not so muffled. They show their resentment in 101 ways and cause many problems that the biggies try to resist, pretending to be patriotic and pretneding to be wiser.Big and bigger confusions because of elementary mistakes which will not get corrected.
Wish I were a hindiwallah. I could join u and feel Iam right.
Unfortunately, I love hindi as much as I love tamil and I can see with my roving eye , who is wrong and who is reasonable.
U asked a question- How can one impose any language} And I have to answer as we are facing exactly that.
1] Hindi is the national language and English is an additional official languge what will be subsequently removed when hindi gets accepted in the southern belt.
{} Tamils perceive it as imposition. We dont even know to speak our national languge as it is not even remotely connected to our tongue. We are not any less patriotic tho'. So u mean if we are to get acknowledged as patriotic, we have to learn hindi. IT is not a nice way of doing it. So irritable, really.
Just because the hindi biggies think that English as national language is slavery.
2}So far UPSC exams have been in English. Now the northies felt sorry for the intelligent rural guys in hindi belt who will feel sorry for tamil, mallu, golti and kannad rurals who don't know both hindi and English, but greatly intelligent and experts in their own mothertongue?
So we demand that papers get translated in our respective languages which are as precious for us , as urs is for u.
But hindi biggies think it is bad and wrong.
3} IF ever we learn hindi and speak it, esp those who are working in north, the sonority of our own tongues gets into our voices and our local tongues' influence get into hindi as urs get into english. While English people don't mind when we speak english as we do, u hindi walllahs laugh and poke fun of our Hindi and behave so snobbish that we feel so self consious and withdrawn.
4}Look WITHIN URSELF for the troubles caused. Dont look WITHOUT. What tamils are doing is just a defence mechanism, that's all. U correct urself and then the rest of the world gets straight by itself
5}Shed hindi one upmanship.
MAke English the sole NAtional language.
MAke arrangements for studying south languages in the north and north languages(also oriya, marathi. gujj, they are no less beautiful) in south as a national policy towards national integration; through, Hindi PRachar sabha, name could be changed to Akhil bharatheeya bhashayen prachar sabha
Will that happen?
No...
Because, the voice of reason is always low in India
Majority wins even if it is wrong.
So it is minority voice will get muffled.
They are not so muffled. They show their resentment in 101 ways and cause many problems that the biggies try to resist, pretending to be patriotic and pretneding to be wiser.Big and bigger confusions because of elementary mistakes which will not get corrected.
Wish I were a hindiwallah. I could join u and feel Iam right.
Unfortunately, I love hindi as much as I love tamil and I can see with my roving eye , who is wrong and who is reasonable.
DP,
U are right about tamilians. But basically, Tamils are not as u think they are. It is just a reaction to hindi imposition. And when that streak stops and the Govt changes its stance by giving prominence to all to languages and respecting all of them alike, this will not change.
Imagine vajpayee ji goes to an international forum and talks in Hindi, knowing fully well that only 60% of his people can udnerstand him. Making the 40% feel alientated so much. How could u call that anything but partisan politics and linguistic bigotry.
Just let people be. Deep inside every tamil respects hindi and hindi songs used to be so popular. With out doing anything , hindi wil seep in because of its inherent beauty. And it will be accepted along with tamil and somethimes can get into tamil tanguage too, as sanskrit once did. People spoil natural transitions with their unwarranted passions. SUper stupidity.
U are right about tamilians. But basically, Tamils are not as u think they are. It is just a reaction to hindi imposition. And when that streak stops and the Govt changes its stance by giving prominence to all to languages and respecting all of them alike, this will not change.
Imagine vajpayee ji goes to an international forum and talks in Hindi, knowing fully well that only 60% of his people can udnerstand him. Making the 40% feel alientated so much. How could u call that anything but partisan politics and linguistic bigotry.
Just let people be. Deep inside every tamil respects hindi and hindi songs used to be so popular. With out doing anything , hindi wil seep in because of its inherent beauty. And it will be accepted along with tamil and somethimes can get into tamil tanguage too, as sanskrit once did. People spoil natural transitions with their unwarranted passions. SUper stupidity.
Thanks Scribbly, for sharing your well-meaning views which does show respect for all.
Somehow, I dont feel like discussing this topic anymore. Some day, I will try to understand as to how any language can be "imposed" anywhere? Illiterate aside, even Hindi speaking college grads in India do not understand the "Hindi terms" used on the govt forms 
Thanks again to you and everyone who shared their views.
Sorry for typos.-REad
And when that streak stops and the Govt changes its stance by giving prominence to all to languages and respecting all of them alike, this will not change.
AS
And till that streak stops and the Govt changes its stance by giving prominence to all to languages and respecting all of them alike, this will not change.
And when that streak stops and the Govt changes its stance by giving prominence to all to languages and respecting all of them alike, this will not change.
AS
And till that streak stops and the Govt changes its stance by giving prominence to all to languages and respecting all of them alike, this will not change.
> I expect as honest a reply as a carvaka wd give...
Thanks for the compliment.
> Whats going on?
Nothing worrisome. I have met tons of Tamil people, from various parts of society. Not a single one of them is campaigning for TN's secession. Even here on Sulekha, there is just ONE handle among the dozens of Tamil posters here. KV's website is hosted on Geocities (or is it Tripod) -- this indicates that they don't even have the $50 a year it takes to have a decent web site. It shows the level of support that exists for her ideas.
Thanks for the compliment.
> Whats going on?
Nothing worrisome. I have met tons of Tamil people, from various parts of society. Not a single one of them is campaigning for TN's secession. Even here on Sulekha, there is just ONE handle among the dozens of Tamil posters here. KV's website is hosted on Geocities (or is it Tripod) -- this indicates that they don't even have the $50 a year it takes to have a decent web site. It shows the level of support that exists for her ideas.
i always hate to divide our Bharat Int tiny places which suits our regional political leaders.
Dont feed the fodder to this narrow perspective.
Being a Bengali, I feel every individual irrespective of his race , region and Langs is equal .
With my highest regards To Bharat , ie, India
I am Indian First and Last To my last breath.
Chanchal
Dont feed the fodder to this narrow perspective.
Being a Bengali, I feel every individual irrespective of his race , region and Langs is equal .
With my highest regards To Bharat , ie, India
I am Indian First and Last To my last breath.
Chanchal
DP (in Tamil its expanded into Dhanda Pindam)
I can see that you are rabid. Its all in yr mind, if you have a sane one, which I doubt.
Better spend your time and energy on positive acts like, how to bring Indians together as a national unit - rather than sowing seeds of hatred, sitting somewhere far beyond.
Do you know, sikhs living abroad as local citizens declare their nationality as Punjabi, and not Indian (Go to Malaysia, Singapore et al) but the Tamils ALWAYS declare themselves as INDIANS.
Hope you have a nice day......... cheerio : ))
I can see that you are rabid. Its all in yr mind, if you have a sane one, which I doubt.
Better spend your time and energy on positive acts like, how to bring Indians together as a national unit - rather than sowing seeds of hatred, sitting somewhere far beyond.
Do you know, sikhs living abroad as local citizens declare their nationality as Punjabi, and not Indian (Go to Malaysia, Singapore et al) but the Tamils ALWAYS declare themselves as INDIANS.
Hope you have a nice day......... cheerio : ))
there is no problem with tamilians. it is silly to compare TN with khalistan. why should we want to separate ourselves from the land that we have always lived in from time immemorial. we are the original indians. however, we refuse to separate our identity as tamilians from that of indians. there aren't two identities. there is only one. we are tamilians and hence by default indians. this land belongs to us. we did not come to india from turkmenistan, kazhakastan, afghanistan, and tadjekistan like you. the problem is in your head. rid your brain of the detritus of the violence of your ancestors and all will be well.
"we did not come to india from turkmenistan, kazhakastan, afghanistan, and tadjekistan like you. "
====> Max,
It is an argument which could backfire.
The DK/DMK fellows say a similar thing about Tamil Brahmins. They claim that Iyers and Iyengars are descendants of Aryans from the North.
I saw a poster in Chennai long time ago for a Tamil Castes conference, Thamizh jaadhigal maanaadu meaning it will be conference of Tamil Non Brahmins.
However, I agree that the North Indians have no business of dictating what Tamils should do to be part of India.
====> Max,
It is an argument which could backfire.
The DK/DMK fellows say a similar thing about Tamil Brahmins. They claim that Iyers and Iyengars are descendants of Aryans from the North.
I saw a poster in Chennai long time ago for a Tamil Castes conference, Thamizh jaadhigal maanaadu meaning it will be conference of Tamil Non Brahmins.
However, I agree that the North Indians have no business of dictating what Tamils should do to be part of India.
why do non brahmins (those under the infl of DK philosophy)hate hindi, hate brahmins and hate temple worship?It is u guys who spoil the rep of tamilians in general.I hate to be categorized as madraasi or tamil bigot. the other day, in college, there was a girl who recited a poem on Anti hindi-let us oppose hindi...blah blah,/.... and she got first prize.I thot she must be disq for reciting a poem inciting divisive feelings. Wait...one day tamil nadu will pose a biggr threat to the nation with Anna durai's silly policies of Anti hindi.
I also dislike the way the hindi guys show lack of respect for regional language. They go places pretending hindi is the only tongue they need to know. They never learn or respect our language. They go to mumbai and chennai and never bother to learn the local tongues.Their bigotry also is equally desplicable.
What i mean is let us love and adore all the languages including English. English is not a foriegn lang anymore. it has bound us, we reject it under the prejudice that it is foreign and oppressive to make it our language of power.LEt us face facts, it is a mere paper tiger and no threat to use it as the lang of communication between indian states.
So all of us need to know only English and our own mother tongue...ofcourse instead of hindi prachar sabha, we could have more langues taught under the same scheme to promote national integration.
I also dislike the way the hindi guys show lack of respect for regional language. They go places pretending hindi is the only tongue they need to know. They never learn or respect our language. They go to mumbai and chennai and never bother to learn the local tongues.Their bigotry also is equally desplicable.
What i mean is let us love and adore all the languages including English. English is not a foriegn lang anymore. it has bound us, we reject it under the prejudice that it is foreign and oppressive to make it our language of power.LEt us face facts, it is a mere paper tiger and no threat to use it as the lang of communication between indian states.
So all of us need to know only English and our own mother tongue...ofcourse instead of hindi prachar sabha, we could have more langues taught under the same scheme to promote national integration.
>>> why are you conflating anti-brahminism, reservations, and anti-hindi imposition protests? the first two are dead wrong and the last one is dead right.
" So all of us need to know only English and our own mother tongue"
>>> i can agree with that.
" So all of us need to know only English and our own mother tongue"
>>> i can agree with that.
WE have all those issues, sithering underneath, in TN...let the world know... that's why
yes but why conflate unrelated issues? we also have a water problem in madras. why don't you put that in with your list. also it gets too hot in madras. well that's somewhat of a problem too. let's put that on the list. congested roads? put that in there too. any other problems to list?
English is related Sanskrit - it is one of the Indo-European languages!!! AIT may become defunct but the language theory has a lot of evidence. Hindi-speaking people who oppose English while embraceing Muslim culture are hypocrites!.
In the same way, DKheads who embrace English (Indo-European) but are opposed to "Aryans" and Hindi (Indo-European) are hypocrites.
In the same way, DKheads who embrace English (Indo-European) but are opposed to "Aryans" and Hindi (Indo-European) are hypocrites.
Along the same lines of your "logic", people who don't videotape other secretly for 1 1/2 hours are also hypocrites? 
is she the sister of socrates? do they have a third sibling called hypercretes?
Ok, ok! So you found that I mis-spelt hypocrite in the title. I didn't do that in the text of my post. In fact, I have other mistakes in the text that you didn't see!
You and your friend VC get upset when someone exposes anything related to DK-ism. You then go on to suggest that you also hate DKheads!
You didn't respond to my question on your pronouncement that Tamils are the original inhabitants of India. I wonder why!
You and your friend VC get upset when someone exposes anything related to DK-ism. You then go on to suggest that you also hate DKheads!
You didn't respond to my question on your pronouncement that Tamils are the original inhabitants of India. I wonder why!
The only DKhead in Sulekha is you.
hahaha! he is their (i.e. the dravida kazhagam's) biggest mouthpiece on CH. his paranoia leads him to believe that every tamilian unless proven otherwise is a DK supporter. as a result, he is the principal D(ic)Khead on sulekha.
Psandilya's DKheads will be thrilled to read his posts on CH. They will understand from his posts that they are omnipotent, like the God they pretend to disbelieve in. Nobody on earth is as much in awe of the DK as Psandilya.
PS: I forgot to mention that he is not influened by the DK at all -- it is you who are strongly influenced by the DK, that is why you don't think much of them.
PS: I forgot to mention that he is not influened by the DK at all -- it is you who are strongly influenced by the DK, that is why you don't think much of them.
Some DK guys are indeed known for arguing without any logic. Sandilya does exactly that. That's why I called him the only DKhead in Sulekha. Pavan has pointed out that this is what the Telugu actress Suryakantham does.
Sandilya does all these in a Satvik way of course, after doing rituals for hours and hours :-)
Sandilya does all these in a Satvik way of course, after doing rituals for hours and hours :-)
> Pavan has pointed out that this is what the Telugu actress Suryakantham does.
The credit should go to DUT for making this connection. Of late, Psandilya has reduced his Suryakanthamism, he behaves in a Suryakanthamist way only towards you; he will respond directly to others. In that sense, I think he has a special place in his heart for you ;).
The credit should go to DUT for making this connection. Of late, Psandilya has reduced his Suryakanthamism, he behaves in a Suryakanthamist way only towards you; he will respond directly to others. In that sense, I think he has a special place in his heart for you ;).
>>> They don't have "hindians" there -- oops, I just eliminated KV's raison d'etre :)
I wd have never known, if I were not in US.
>>> How does the US add value here? :)
Ok - I know Maria, Upps are Tamilian.
>>> Upps is actually a midwesterner who took a couple of tamil classes to meet his foreign language requirement.
But what exactly is wrong there?
>>> What is wrong in california? in denmark that hamlet was so pre-occupied with? in canada? you get the picture!:)
Sorry for the flippant responses, but you ask a youknowwhat question, you get a youknowwhat answer..
The gist of the problem is we don't have respect for each other. People have a right to pride in who they are, the language they speak, whathaveyou. What compounds this problem is absurd regionalistic chauvinism, where the degrees of difference in "cultures" are small enough to make the whole debate meaningless. It is sort of like the "plains people versus the mountain people" routine in that old show Taxi, where America had a weekly laugh over the narrowness of world view of a particular immigrant Latka Gravas and his girl friend.
The short answer to your question- tamils have problems, icelanders have problems, assamese have problems, japanese have problems-- yada, yada, yada... all these people also have their strenghts. As long as they are not pestering us with their issues, there is no point racking our brains over it. We have bosses/ wives (ok- make that 2 sets of bosses:), IRS and Dubya and his wars to worry about- just not enough bandwidth for others' problems:)
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