[Rashmun] Hindi

started by Merlot Daruwala 5 mnths ago

I fail to see why you are so vehement in pushing for Hindi as a national language. Surely, you recognize that language is not something that can be foisted on an unwilling population and the harder you try, the more the likelihood of your failure.

While individuals don't mind learning a new language to aid them in their business, travel or job mobility, forcing someone to learn a language if they don't have any need for it is counter-productive. 

In a global economy where everyone - the Chinese, the Vietnamese and even native Hindi speakers - are scrambling to learn English, what is the logic in forcing non-Hindi speakers to learn not only their native tongue and English but Hindi as well just to satisfy some notional benefit of having a national language?

Secondly, the issue is no longer about Hindi per se but about the tyranny of the majority - where the imposition of Hindi is becoming a larger issue than the language itself. So why persist in divisive rhetoric that only undercuts your claim of wanting your mother-tongue to be linguistic unifier for all Indians?

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  Vivek posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
Which country's national language are you talking about? I'm aware that the national language of USA is English. I will let Indians worry about the national language of their country and Hindi is their national language. Why sweat?
  carvaka posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
There are two factual inaccuracies in the above. One, English is not the national language of these United States. This country has no national language. Two, Hindi is not the national language of India. That country has no national language either. You may to sweat a little to get to those facts though.
  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago

There is one correction to Caravak's post. You have to clearly spell out that India is an artificial country. No country like India ever existed before the British. 
http://www.geocities.com/tamiltribune/99/0402.html

 

  Uppili posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
No country called Tamil Nadu existed as it exists now until India got independence in 1947.

  Truthbetold3 posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
Kayal,

No country called called united kingdom existed couple of centuries ago. All most all modern states were made in the last 1000 years.  The borders of all countries have changed over the last 100 years. 

So what is your point?
  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago

Over 90% of countries formed in the last 100 years are based on "one culture-language. India is artificial. That is what I mean.

  Uppili posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
you mean more than 155 of the 175 countries had ONE-CULTURE language ? That means there are ONLY about 20 countries with MULTI-cultural language...

Reaalllllly ?  I bet tamiltribune and Dr. Tanji Boy are your sources.
  MaxEntropy_Man posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
>>> KV makes an excellent point. indeed most countries are not multi-lingual. india is an unusual case brought about by extraordinary historical circumstances. in that sense it is more like the european union, except it's a nation. just like germany doesn't push its language on spain, there is no reason for UP to push its language on any other indian state.
  Uppili posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
Yes.. I also always stated that India is much like the European uniion with ONE MAJOR DIFFERENCE. The entire land is connected by tradition, history, religionS unlike Europe.  That is one reason why despite wars between kingdoms, symbols and institutions were not destroyed.....until the foreign Afgan and Mogul barbarians showed their character.

Most countries may not be multi-lingual (which I am not so sure), but certainly KV's contention of 90% is a bunch of tamiltribune-quality bull.
  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
>> entire India is connected by tradition, history, religionS unlike Europe.


Entire Europe is connected by religion, entire western europe is connected by tradition and history. In fact there are more commonalities between western european countries than between UP and TN and Assom and Nagaland.

>>  That is one reason why despite wars between kingdoms, symbols and institutions were not destroyed.

What symbol and institution is common to India historically? Say 2000 years ago. Nothing, absolutely nothing.
  Ponniyin Selvan posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
In fact there are more commonalities between western european countries than between UP and TN and Assom and Nagaland.

Well. This is not right. 

There are cultural / religious connections between different parts of India. The "progressives" may deny it, but Hinduism plays a role in uniting diverse regions of India. Kasi / haridwar / rishikesh is as sacred to Hindus of Tamilnadu as "Rameswaram" is to people who worship Rama.

  deep purple posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
sophistry (look at it on dictionary.com) never had anything to do narrow minds. u guys are extremely narrow minded. after u comes, the ones who will try to divide TN.



  deep purple posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
without sensitivity to differences, one cannot be a good decision maker. so KV is 57 steps short of your narrow mindedness.
  MaxEntropy_Man posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
>>> as it is, northindian english is hard to understand. it's nearly impossible to decipher northindian english written by a drunk!
  deep purple posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago

ure dodging like FF, by switching to English and my drinks. isnt it high time for u to face ur narrow mindedness? ur tricks are old, but cheaper than my whiskey now.

  MaxEntropy_Man posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
>>> i really didn't understand a word of what you wrote in your original post: "without sensitivity to differences, one cannot be a good decision maker. so KV is 57 steps short of your narrow mindedness.

>>> i think to understand northindian english, one must have a strong grasp of hindi grammar and sentence construction. i speak barely passable hindi and haven't studied formal hindi grammar, so i often have no clue about what you write here. you probably imagine it to be english. i am sure the effect becomes really acute when you are inebriated. i am not taunting you, i think this is truly the case. i am quite certain that you translate hindi/punjabi phrases and sentences directly to english. it's a fascinating exercise to try and decipher the original thought that must have entered your drunken head. for example, the term "well's frog..." is probably a direct translation of "kuan ka mendhak " or some such thing. i am guessing of course. if you hadn't translated you'd instead have said, "frog in the well...".
  deep purple posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago

MaxE kaun se rang ki lungi pahni ho aaj. bataa de chhamiya.

u cdnt understand my post - bcs ure stuck in NI-SI. my post had nothing to do with it.





  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
What?
  deep purple posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
what what what? I said MaxE is 57 times more narrow minded than u. u guys and your fkkin region oriented mindset. broaden it. travel more. not only India, but go to Australia.
  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
Protecting one's country, culture and language is not narrow minded. 

  deep purple posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
it is. well's frog mentality it is. if all were to think like u, there wd be no aparthied movement in south africa by Gandhi. ur notion of country itself is confined by a small region. how can u ever look at stars during night to figure out universe? let alone planet earth.
  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
>> there wd be no aparthied movement in south africa by Gandhi. 

What are you talking about. Gandhi did that to protect the rights of  "Indians" there.

Is "Indian" independence movement narrow minded?

If not, why is TN independence movement narrow minded?
  deep purple posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
i knew u would "selectively" reply i.e. use a few words of mine, ignore the rest - so the theme of post is lost. ure narrow minded.
  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
>> i knew u would "selectively" reply i.e. use a few words of mine, ignore the rest 

Accept that you are unable to answer my questions. Unable to counter my argument. There is nothing wrong in saying that. We all make mistakes. I have.
  deep purple posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago

answer this - who is a human being? and whats his/her purpose? also think - why cant u think of a human being beyond Tamil Nadu. or surprise me with ur answer to my q's.

  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
We think in many levels. Human beings at one level. Tamil at another. TN Tamil at yet another.

At the human level I am concerned right now about Burmese. I have urged my government to invade Burma, arrest and try the ruler and supply relief to the people.

At the Tamil level, I urge my government to help REElam Tamils.

At the TN Tamil level, I work for independence for my country. 

I can do different things at different levels.

NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Is "Indian" independence movement narrow minded?

If not, why is TN independence movement narrow minded?
  Uppili posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION.

>> Is "Indian" independence movement narrow minded?

>> If not, why is TN independence movement narrow minded?

Are you calling people like Subramania Bharathi, VOC, Rajaji, and Kamaraj Tamil traitors and YOUR Tanji Boy & Co smarter than those people ?



  muchocricket posted Re:[Rashmun] Hindi on 5 mnths ago
>> At the human level I am concerned right now about Burmese. I have urged my government to invade Burma, arrest and try the ruler and supply relief to the people.

Ignoranc is bliss. When Tsunmai hit cuddalore, TN & Indian Govt. precisely did the same i.e. did not let the amerian aid enter indian soil for about a week

>>Is "Indian" independence movement narrow minded?

No

>> If not, why is TN independence movement narrow minded?

because it's divide-and-conquer, a  policy popularized by your masters



  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:Hindi on 5 mnths ago
>> When Tsunmai hit cuddalore, TN & Indian Govt. precisely did the same i.e. did not let the amerian aid enter indian soil for about a week 


You are 50% corrdct. Indian gov did not allow it. In fact they did not let Clinton visit TN. I said that was wrong then, I repeat it now.

I am all for my gov sending marines into New Delhi and arrest the culprits who blocked aid to TN.
  muchocricket posted Re:Hindi on 5 mnths ago
too bad, your marine corps stretched too thin, did not have anybody left to send anywhere else, btw does your gov support any of your views? I am afraid not.
  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:Hindi on 5 mnths ago
President Bush's administation said "Our government is not opposed to an independent Tamil country."
  deep purple posted Re:Hindi on 5 mnths ago

r u a tamil language teacher to earn ur living?

  Kayal Vizhi posted Re:Hindi on 5 mnths ago
No. I am an aerospace engineer.
  deep purple posted Re:Hindi on 5 mnths ago
i am impressed that u can still spell it right. so is ur plane tamil?