Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal?
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gyanputra posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agoRamdoss sounds like a racist relative of Kayal Vizi - this sort of story would simply make people laugh at racist obtuseness of tamil DMK creeps in central government. Another chimp Baalu thought that giving contracts to his two sons did not involve conflict of interest!
denice _menace posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agowho si sramdoss..why rae su so curious?,.-`
muchocricket posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agofrom what i gathered (telugu newspapers), he is a telugu, it seems that minister ramdoss wanted to promote one of his relatives, which irked Dr. Venugopal, also there are rumors that AIIMS cardio dept. is full of SI brahmins and have their own share of caste biases.
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-sandilya. posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agoVenugopal is a Telugu from E. Godavari district. He has a sister (Saraswati) who lives in Rajahmandry.
Ramadoss and Venugopal don't like each other and this has nothing to do (as far as I know) with Venugopal being a Telugu.
It is not true that the cardiology dept. at AIIMS is full of SI brahmins. It has people from different parts of India.
Ramadoss and Venugopal don't like each other and this has nothing to do (as far as I know) with Venugopal being a Telugu.
It is not true that the cardiology dept. at AIIMS is full of SI brahmins. It has people from different parts of India.
Uppili posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agohm... I don't know....
Don't put too much emphasis on language... It matters ONLY when it is against Hindi. Every fourth MLA, minister, person in TN talks telugu. MK is of telugu extract. Grand old wizrd of DMK, ADMK, etc.. EVR Periyar spoke Kannada - I am still confused how EV ramaswamy naicker did not speak Telugu like all naickers (naidus) in TN speak. Bottom line, this venugopal dude instead of putting down the doc strike against the minister's proposed quota encouraged them. That derailed the "minister's plan" for "uplifting" the downtrodden. Also, this minister is plannign to build a premier, one of a kind Medical University in TN. Who knows what the AIIMS group of institutions are saying against that plan ? That hits the minister below the belt.
Note that P. Venugopal is a Padma Bhushan awardee and the first surgeon to perfom heart transplant in India and not someone who rose to the top bcz of political connection. naturally, such people are not liked by the political bosses.
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Truthbetold3 posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days ago
Don't put too much emphasis on language... It matters ONLY when it is against Hindi. Every fourth MLA, minister, person in TN talks telugu. MK is of telugu extract. Grand old wizrd of DMK, ADMK, etc.. EVR Periyar spoke Kannada - I am still confused how EV ramaswamy naicker did not speak Telugu like all naickers (naidus) in TN speak. Bottom line, this venugopal dude instead of putting down the doc strike against the minister's proposed quota encouraged them. That derailed the "minister's plan" for "uplifting" the downtrodden. Also, this minister is plannign to build a premier, one of a kind Medical University in TN. Who knows what the AIIMS group of institutions are saying against that plan ? That hits the minister below the belt.
Note that P. Venugopal is a Padma Bhushan awardee and the first surgeon to perfom heart transplant in India and not someone who rose to the top bcz of political connection. naturally, such people are not liked by the political bosses.
> I am still confused how EV ramaswamy naicker did not speak Telugu like all naickers (naidus) in TN speak
One hypothesis: the Naickers of TN are the descendants of the ruling Nayakas of the Vijayanagara Empire who migrated to TN from Andhra and Karnataka. Some of them spoke Telugu, some Kannada. Since Telugu people controlled the shots more often in Vijayanagara, more of the Nayakas who ruled Tamil lands were Telugu, but some Kannada-speaking chieftains also ventured south into TN. So most of the Naickers of today are Telugu-speaking, but EVR's family isn't.
One hypothesis: the Naickers of TN are the descendants of the ruling Nayakas of the Vijayanagara Empire who migrated to TN from Andhra and Karnataka. Some of them spoke Telugu, some Kannada. Since Telugu people controlled the shots more often in Vijayanagara, more of the Nayakas who ruled Tamil lands were Telugu, but some Kannada-speaking chieftains also ventured south into TN. So most of the Naickers of today are Telugu-speaking, but EVR's family isn't.
I agree... That is clearly one of the possibilities. So.. KDR was the first national unfier - so to speak. Also, during the 200 year British rule of the Madras "presidency" people moved all over the world. Ironically, I "discovered" that my mother was born in Vizianagaram - reason for that I am yet to figure out to this day.
That also blows the "free TN" bullshyt theory by Ealamite traitors like KV that Tamil Nadu is all full of Tamil-speaking Tamilians - and TN is only for Tamilians . They have no clue that TN has a higher percentage of non-tamil speaking population than perhaps any state in India, and also why anti-tamil riots are so rare there. Even at the height of Anti- Hindi riots no hindi speaking or northerners were known to have been targetted as in Bombay, Delhi or even Bangalore.
That also blows the "free TN" bullshyt theory by Ealamite traitors like KV that Tamil Nadu is all full of Tamil-speaking Tamilians - and TN is only for Tamilians . They have no clue that TN has a higher percentage of non-tamil speaking population than perhaps any state in India, and also why anti-tamil riots are so rare there. Even at the height of Anti- Hindi riots no hindi speaking or northerners were known to have been targetted as in Bombay, Delhi or even Bangalore.
They have no clue that TN has a higher percentage of non-tamil speaking population than perhaps any state in India, and also why anti-tamil riots are so rare there.
I'm confused. Are you surprised anti-Tamil riots are rare in Tamilnadu?.
I agree with the percentage of non-native Tamil speakers in Tamilnadu. I think people of Telugu origin form 7% or more and add to that people who speak Malayalam and Kannada at home. I believe even Karnataka has a significant percentage of non-Kannada speakers.
I'm confused. Are you surprised anti-Tamil riots are rare in Tamilnadu?.
I agree with the percentage of non-native Tamil speakers in Tamilnadu. I think people of Telugu origin form 7% or more and add to that people who speak Malayalam and Kannada at home. I believe even Karnataka has a significant percentage of non-Kannada speakers.
Sorry... you need to give allowance for what is by now called Uppili' MHCD (Mind-hand coordination D/O). It should read "anti-outsider riots by tamils"
While Karnataka's non-kannadigas are concentrated in a few areas near the borders, TN's non-tamil population is wide spread and pretty homogeneous. At a recent gathering there was a discussion on language issues and 4 of the 6 tamilians were theoretically non-tamilians who were the most vocal pro-tamil and they came from Karur, Theni, Madurai, and Madras.
Sandilya: Vijaiyanagaram is near Vizag ? Hm... it is getting even more complex... how many towns are tin AP with that name ? in TN there are reportedly 15 Vellore villages/towns with slightly different english spellings - I myself have seen 3.
While Karnataka's non-kannadigas are concentrated in a few areas near the borders, TN's non-tamil population is wide spread and pretty homogeneous. At a recent gathering there was a discussion on language issues and 4 of the 6 tamilians were theoretically non-tamilians who were the most vocal pro-tamil and they came from Karur, Theni, Madurai, and Madras.
Sandilya: Vijaiyanagaram is near Vizag ? Hm... it is getting even more complex... how many towns are tin AP with that name ? in TN there are reportedly 15 Vellore villages/towns with slightly different english spellings - I myself have seen 3.
I was looking at language distribution data yesterday (because I was looking for data on multilingualism from the 2001 census.) Andhra, TN and Karnataka all have about 15% linguistic minorities. Among the large states of India, they are on the high side for linguistic diversity. Kerala, suprisingly for me, is more linguistically homogeneous with more than 90% Malayalam speakers (I was expecting a higher percentage of Tamil folks in Kerala.) This is a result of a long history of southern Indians treating all of Dakshinapatha as their homeland for many centuries now. Vijayanagara and Madras Presidency were just political manifestations of that underlying cultural axiom.
At a recent gathering there was a discussion on language issues and 4 of the 6 tamilians were theoretically non-tamilians who were the most vocal pro-tamil and they came from Karur, Theni, Madurai, and Madras.
Yeah. that's true. If you think about it, who the most pro Srilankan Tamil / pro LTTE leader in Tamilnadu, It is Vaiko, who is technically a Telugu. Same as Vijayakanth who could become a future Chief minister.
Yeah. that's true. If you think about it, who the most pro Srilankan Tamil / pro LTTE leader in Tamilnadu, It is Vaiko, who is technically a Telugu. Same as Vijayakanth who could become a future Chief minister.
>>>>>>Ironically, I "discovered" that my mother was born in Vizianagaram - reason for that I am yet to figure out to this day.
Vizianagaram (near Vizag) was a cultural centre (the royal family fostered music and arts). I know of a Tamil family that lived there for generations. The Maharaja College (oldest in Andhra) had professors from Coastal Andhra as well as from Madras areas. When Andhra University was created in Vizag, professors of Vizianagaram college opted not to join AU. The music college in Vizianagaram is famous. Even Vizag had Tamil professors. CV Raman was associated with AVN College. AU had wellknown Tamil professors - Sheshadri (Chemistry), Anantasayanam Iyengar (English) and many others. Therefore, it is not surprising that your mother comes from Vizianagaram.
You may be surprised to know that even Hyderabad (not a great place for culture) has some established Tamil families (near Sankara matham, Alwal, etc.).
Vizianagaram (near Vizag) was a cultural centre (the royal family fostered music and arts). I know of a Tamil family that lived there for generations. The Maharaja College (oldest in Andhra) had professors from Coastal Andhra as well as from Madras areas. When Andhra University was created in Vizag, professors of Vizianagaram college opted not to join AU. The music college in Vizianagaram is famous. Even Vizag had Tamil professors. CV Raman was associated with AVN College. AU had wellknown Tamil professors - Sheshadri (Chemistry), Anantasayanam Iyengar (English) and many others. Therefore, it is not surprising that your mother comes from Vizianagaram.
You may be surprised to know that even Hyderabad (not a great place for culture) has some established Tamil families (near Sankara matham, Alwal, etc.).
"Ironically, I "discovered" that my mother was born in Vizianagaram - reason for that I am yet to figure out to this day."
are you trying to figure out a) why vijayanagaram? or b) why she was born?
are you trying to figure out a) why vijayanagaram? or b) why she was born?
Why she was born should be the question for my grandparents and mother. I have no right to ask that Q.
VijaiyanagarAM is the mystery question - but I think I know why, sort of...
Besides.. is that the town that is also called Hampi - near Hospet ? I asked an autorickshaw driver in Hospet in my broken Kannada and was told that was 12 miles from hospet which would put that in Hampi. I was never really sure.
VijaiyanagarAM is the mystery question - but I think I know why, sort of...
Besides.. is that the town that is also called Hampi - near Hospet ? I asked an autorickshaw driver in Hospet in my broken Kannada and was told that was 12 miles from hospet which would put that in Hampi. I was never really sure.
Hampi has been called that for a long time. Bak in the day, it was a village on the outskirts of the city of Vijayanagaram. That city was systematically razed to the ground by the Bahmani armies in 1565. After that, all that remains is Hampi. Most of the rich people of Vijayanagara fled the city already; many went to Penugonda from where the Empire (which by that point was that only in name) continued on for a hundred more years. So if your mom was born in Vijayanagaram, it is likely to be Vizianagaram (a horrible British spelling, like Vizag) in the Andhra coastal region.
sara Boji posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days ago"Also, this minister is plannign to build a premier, one of a kind Medical University in TN."
====> I support that idea.
Uppili posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days ago
====> I support that idea.
Uppili posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agoWait... he was building it as part of his family trust... and not part of a Govt. institution.
Truthbetold3 posted Re:Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agoI do not see a conflict between the two data. What both of you wrote could be true. Ramdoss is the culprit hear. Venugopal is probably not perfect. Whoever caused this problem, AIIMS is not going to be same again.
Truthbetold3 posted Re:(paging uppili) Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agoUppili,
I havn't followed this whole affair other than reading headlines. Why is RamDoss so hell bent on getting Venugopal out of AIMS. Is it personal conflict? Is it political? I thought both are from TN. Do you know any details.
Uppili posted Re:(paging uppili) Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days ago
I havn't followed this whole affair other than reading headlines. Why is RamDoss so hell bent on getting Venugopal out of AIMS. Is it personal conflict? Is it political? I thought both are from TN. Do you know any details.
Uppili posted Re:(paging uppili) Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agoAs I see it... these were the Purported invisible reasons...
Venugopal is a brahmin and RamDoss a Vanniar and a champion of BC and OBC - need to build an empire for his son by undercutting MK & family.
Venugopal was against this increased quota and quota system to AIIMS and encouraged the students to strike...
Venugopal being in the gray zone of retirement played into his hands. Besides Anbumani is perhaps a quota-based Doctor who probably was denied admission to AIIMS... (this is my own guess). Not to forget Ramdoss himself is a doctor and about the same age group as Venugopal.. Those who rise to the top often know one another for a loong looong time. So who knows the exact reasons.
Changing the law to circumvent law is the specialty of the Indian lawmakers.
Truthbetold3 posted Re:(paging uppili) Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days ago
Venugopal is a brahmin and RamDoss a Vanniar and a champion of BC and OBC - need to build an empire for his son by undercutting MK & family.
Venugopal was against this increased quota and quota system to AIIMS and encouraged the students to strike...
Venugopal being in the gray zone of retirement played into his hands. Besides Anbumani is perhaps a quota-based Doctor who probably was denied admission to AIIMS... (this is my own guess). Not to forget Ramdoss himself is a doctor and about the same age group as Venugopal.. Those who rise to the top often know one another for a loong looong time. So who knows the exact reasons.
Changing the law to circumvent law is the specialty of the Indian lawmakers.
Truthbetold3 posted Re:(paging uppili) Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days agoUppili,
As I expected, you delivered the key ingredient of conflict - political use of caste conflict.
The surpirsing aspect of this incident is the extent to which ramdoss went to get his way. He is either too dence or does not care what the national media and people outside TN thinks. I do not believe Venugopal is lilly white in this struggle but it is a pity that such an institute is dragged through the mud to satisfy an individual's needs.
Thanks.
Uppili posted Re:(paging uppili) Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days ago
As I expected, you delivered the key ingredient of conflict - political use of caste conflict.
The surpirsing aspect of this incident is the extent to which ramdoss went to get his way. He is either too dence or does not care what the national media and people outside TN thinks. I do not believe Venugopal is lilly white in this struggle but it is a pity that such an institute is dragged through the mud to satisfy an individual's needs.
Thanks.
Uppili posted Re:(paging uppili) Ramdoss affair? - what is the story behind his conflict with venugopal? on 5 days ago
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Venugopal supported the students (mostly upper caste) protesting OBC quotas by providing them a venue and all other facilites. That was not liked by Ramadoss.
You can see the difference in the protests at AIIMS (there was hardly any when the judgement came out this year in OBC quota's favor) after Venugopal was eased out.
I don't think the last word has been said yet on this issue.