Physics question #2

started by sara Boji 2 mnths ago
Some TV programs and films have high drama scenes based on a  victim being shot by the pursuer and being "blown backward" a meter or two by the projectile impact.

Is this dramatic response Hollywood hype, or is there good physics here?

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  Anthrone posted Re:Physics question #2 (Mind Control) on 2 mnths ago

  mf02 posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
Sara Boji, with all due respects, I have this lingering doubt that you are amassing all this wealth of knowledge by asking questions on law & order, society, human nature, mathematics, science etc. etc. and you will compile all of  this one day and come out with  "Sara Boji's Compendium on Anything and Everything that you ever wanted to know about!" I hope I get some reference some where in that, dunno on what though!
  sara Boji posted Re:Physics question #2 (to MF02) on 2 mnths ago
mf02,

You have really figured out who I am.

Once in a while, I get these sudden brainwaves and post on Sulekha.

Nowdays, I read undergraduate text books to pass time.

Now I am on to Physics and probability theory.

BTW I do agree that sometimes I post nonsense on Sulekha.

As long as I do not post porn or get into a gutter fight with people here, I think I am OK.

Like Gyanputra says, I am not asking anyone to read whatever I post here.
  Seva posted Re:Physics question #2 (to MF02) on 2 mnths ago
Nowdays, I read undergraduate text books to pass time.

>>> and is that after your graduate degree already?  what seems to be blowing you backward "reading-wise"? 
  sara Boji posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago
"and is that after your graduate degree already? ..what seems to be blowing you backward "reading-wise"?"


====> A lot of subjects in my undergraduate days, I passed by just cramming in the last minute particularly formulas.

BTW you can easily get a Master's degree from a second-tier American university particularly in fields like information systems or busines management. Any kid  with decent marks from an Indian high school has the requisite background.

  Seva posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago

Actually, before one can officially work on Ph.D. thesis, some universities / depts. require the candidate to pass a comprehensive exam. And to be able to pass that exam., one has to know the basic school, undergrad and grad subjects, almost have the stuff on fingertips (for the oral part of exam). So in my case, I did take and qualify the comprehensive exam (for mech. / aerospace engg.) and covered majority of topics in sciences and engg. as a part of preparation. Btw, let me assure you, it's one of the toughest exams.and requires a very good understanding in school, undergrad and grad level courses / subjects.


  sara Boji posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago
===> It is just that I am trying to really learn and understand the subjects.

Just plugging the numbers in P1V1/T1 = P2V2/T2 without understanding clearly the laws of thermodynamics won't do.
  carvaka posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago
That is a worthy exercise. I remember glancing through Feynman's lectures years after graduation, and I found them quite engaging. I would recommend that you take a look at them, if you haven't done so already.
  Seva posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago
That is a worthy exercise. I remember glancing through Feynman's lectures years after graduation, and I found them quite engaging.

>>> You should have attended classes / lectures the first time  (while still undergraduate) - if you had done that, you wouldn't have to wait till graduation and then read the lectures and find them engaging.

  carvaka posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago
> > I remember glancing through Feynman's lectures...

> ... wait till graduation and then read the lectures...

* Persistent Reading Comprehension Disorder detected *
  Seva posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago

glance through  >>> look through, peruse

peruse >>> read carefully, examine

  carvaka posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago
So are you suggesting the following?

glance through = read carefully

If you are, congratulations. LOL.






  carvaka posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago
> A lot of subjects in my undergraduate days, I passed by just cramming in the last minute particularly formulas.

Such honesty is what sets you apart from the likes of Seva, Sara Boji! Based on his responses to various math and physics questions posted here, one would have expected Seva to read high school math and physics textbooks, but that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. 
  Seva posted Re:Physics question #2 (to Seva) on 2 mnths ago
one would have expected Seva to read high school math and physics textbooks, but that ain't gonna happen anytime soon. 

>>> don't worry - that already happened long time ago.




  mf02 posted Re:Physics question #2 (to MF02) on 2 mnths ago
Don't get mistaken Sara Boji, every one loves you here, we are a big happy family here who loves to hate each other, nevertheless, you are the reason of existence for a lot of us on this forum. What are we going to do if you don't post those thought-provoking news or questions every day?




  PseudoIntellectual posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
If you hit something stationary, it moves.due to the impact. But the movement is as much as they show in the films.
  Vinod Gupte posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
what do you mean? which films? i have seen actions films wherein a villain is pushed back like 10 ft which cannot happen in reality. wait, you may be referring to art films made by french filmmakers.

  sara Boji posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
correct.

One could expect "blow back" velocity of 0.15 m/sec.
  PseudoIntellectual posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
I missed not. ?The blow back velocity depends on the velocity & mass of the object hitting.
  Vinod Gupte posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago

wow. that is some physics i learnt today. till this day, i was thinking that the blow back velocity is somehow related to the temp on the north pole.


  sara Boji posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
"I missed not. ?The blow back velocity depends on the velocity & mass of the object hitting."

===> You are right.


Assume the victim's mass to be 80Kg and the mass of the bulleto be 0.03 Kg.

Assume the velocity of the bullet to be about 400 m/sec.




  Vinod Gupte posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
it is a hollywood thing. nobody gets thrown 10 ft by the impact of a bullet from a revolver. see some jihadi videos or be in the babban gaybourhood for an hour to witness it.

  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago

I've only seen people getting thrown in the same direction as the projectile, and never in the opposite direction as your language suggests. So if shot from behind by a pursuer, the victim should get thrown forward as per physics (and from all the action moves I've seen).

  sara Boji posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
"blown backward" here means that the victim initially faces the pursuer, and after being shot, he is pushed back  a meter or two in the same direction as the projectile.
  gyanputra posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/headwnd.htm

sends impulses down the system, non-regulated impulses. And what happens is, an animal -- and it doesn't matter whether they are anesthetized or unanesthetized -- an animal shot in the head, the legs fly up, the bullet passes through, and all of a sudden you see this reaction of the front legs coming up and the hind legs swinging out. Naturally in a timeframe it takes place in fractions of a second, so fast that you wouldn't see it with the naked eye, you would merely see the animal fall, but on a high speed motion picture you can see the process.

[later]

Q. What is your opinion, based upon the expertise that you have acquired in these 18 years at the Edgewood Arsenal in wound ballistics, with respect to the question of the direction from which the bullet came that struck the President in the head?

A. Well, the President in 313, the head appears to have moved slightly forward from the previous frame. Now, I say appears, because unless you measured this precisely you don't know. But it appears to have moved slightly.

And this would not be inconsistent with the momentum of the bullet being transferred to the head. Whereas I said a bullet cannot knock a person down or move a body in any violent way, it could conceivably move the head a little bit. We fired at human skulls filled with gelatin sitting on the table, and they would roll off the table. And this apparent side movement of the head is in the correct direction if the bullet came from the book depository.

Q. That is, from the rear of the President? describe for us very briefly the kinds of studies that you have been engaged in over these 18 years? Describe for us briefly, if you will, what kinds of studies you have made of the reactions of animal bodies or human bodies to high velocity bullets being fired into the various portions of those bodies?

 

A. From the rear of the President.


  gyanputra posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
Some of the throwback may result from involuntary contraction or reaction of muscles. But the physics throwback based on conservation of momentum is small ( inelastic collision).

  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
Then it's fully in order. That's what basic mechanics would also dictate.



  Propagandhi122 posted Re:Physics question #2 on 2 mnths ago
sara boji,
you said one time that madras brahmins are good. what do you say now?


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