PM Calls for "Communal" harmony
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First the PM can show that swift justice will prevail by hanging the Parliament terrorists IMMEDIATELY. without that everything else sounds hollow.
>>>>None of this will happen. There will be a lot of talk and counter- arguments, missing the bigger picture as to whose rights the government is supposed to be protecting. Some of this may be driven by lack of huevos, some of it may be cynical politicking. Either way, the country ends up being the loser. Now wait for the newpapers to start blabbering about 'the city getting back to business'> making a virtue out of necessity.
>>>>None of this will happen. There will be a lot of talk and counter- arguments, missing the bigger picture as to whose rights the government is supposed to be protecting. Some of this may be driven by lack of huevos, some of it may be cynical politicking. Either way, the country ends up being the loser. Now wait for the newpapers to start blabbering about 'the city getting back to business'> making a virtue out of necessity.
Not to mention some heroics on the part of some individuals, self-patting, more diversion, a couple of people arrested here and there, who will come out on bail after the heat has come down....and the drama continues.... and secularism wins as usual.
All one asks for is simple and honest implementation of existing laws without interference in the case of capital crimes... similar to any western countries...
But, I know it is too much to ask.. bcz they will have to throw people of all faiths into jail in that case...
All one asks for is simple and honest implementation of existing laws without interference in the case of capital crimes... similar to any western countries...
But, I know it is too much to ask.. bcz they will have to throw people of all faiths into jail in that case...
>> First the PM can show that swift justice will prevail by hanging the Parliament terrorists IMMEDIATELY.
Unkil, you go ahead and decapitate anyone accused of any crime in the Islamic Republic of Uppilistan - after all, you are that great believer in the Taliban-style of justice.
Luckily, India is still a democratic country with laws and constitutional safeguards in place to ensure that justice (and not some senile crackpot's decree) is meted out. Just because cops accuse someone of masterminding the Parliament attack doesn't automatically make them guilty - that gets decided in a court of law which will also decide the appropriate punishment.
Unkil, you go ahead and decapitate anyone accused of any crime in the Islamic Republic of Uppilistan - after all, you are that great believer in the Taliban-style of justice.
Luckily, India is still a democratic country with laws and constitutional safeguards in place to ensure that justice (and not some senile crackpot's decree) is meted out. Just because cops accuse someone of masterminding the Parliament attack doesn't automatically make them guilty - that gets decided in a court of law which will also decide the appropriate punishment.
>> Luckily, India is still a democratic country with laws and constitutional safeguards in place to ensure that justice (and not some senile crackpot's decree) is meted out. Just because cops accuse someone of masterminding the Parliament attack doesn't automatically make them guilty - that gets decided in a court of law which will also decide the appropriate punishment.
What are you smoking ?
Are you trying to move up the caste ladder of "Secularism" by sounding all calm and balanced? Lemme bring you upto speed ? The Indian Parliament was attacked years ago and pakisatabi terrorists were caught, charged, and proved in an INDIAN (it is the country that you usually act against) court, appealed and went all the way to the supreme court which upheld the death penalty 2 years back....and is being "pampered" by YOUR government while at the same time talking all bravado and calling for peace/harmony with each blast for the last 2 years...
So which innocent pakisatanis are you defending this time....unless you are talking about some secret plans about another future attack and the impending accusations?
cool down dough boy... by downgrading convicted Pakisatani terrorists to merely accused doesnot add stars to your status as a secularist.
What would you call someone who defends the convicted terrorists for attacking the very same democratic institution that you claim to worship. How ironic..... Perhaps you are exhibiting the "principles of secularism" and the rest of the hindu fundamentalists will certainly try to learn the naunces of your brand of secularism.
What are you smoking ?
Are you trying to move up the caste ladder of "Secularism" by sounding all calm and balanced? Lemme bring you upto speed ? The Indian Parliament was attacked years ago and pakisatabi terrorists were caught, charged, and proved in an INDIAN (it is the country that you usually act against) court, appealed and went all the way to the supreme court which upheld the death penalty 2 years back....and is being "pampered" by YOUR government while at the same time talking all bravado and calling for peace/harmony with each blast for the last 2 years...
So which innocent pakisatanis are you defending this time....unless you are talking about some secret plans about another future attack and the impending accusations?
cool down dough boy... by downgrading convicted Pakisatani terrorists to merely accused doesnot add stars to your status as a secularist.
What would you call someone who defends the convicted terrorists for attacking the very same democratic institution that you claim to worship. How ironic..... Perhaps you are exhibiting the "principles of secularism" and the rest of the hindu fundamentalists will certainly try to learn the naunces of your brand of secularism.
Afzal Guru was tried and convicted for those attacks. He was sentenced to death by the Supreme Court. There was a lot of drama about clemency petitions for him in 2006. I guess the case is back to court now.
There was a lot of drama about clemency petitions for him in 2006. I guess the case is back to court now.
>>> So that's how court works? After its decision, there is a drama and then court retries the case - then more drama and new trial?
Btw, is that what Merlot considers the proper justice system - "Luckily, India is still a democratic country with laws and constitutional safeguards in place to ensure that justice (and not some senile crackpot's decree) is meted out."?
>>> So that's how court works? After its decision, there is a drama and then court retries the case - then more drama and new trial?
Btw, is that what Merlot considers the proper justice system - "Luckily, India is still a democratic country with laws and constitutional safeguards in place to ensure that justice (and not some senile crackpot's decree) is meted out."?
Yes Unkil, putting someone to death is not something any civilized society should do in a rush just to satisfy some fanatics' bloodlust. Even in the US, convicts sit on death row for years together while their pleas for clemency are played out - and this is in cases with far more compelling prosecutory evidence than was used to convict Afzal Guru.
It's particularly ironic that the our chaddis should be baying for Afzal Guru's blood while at the same time asking Pakistan to grant clemency and release Sarabjit Singh - who's accused of identical crimes over there.
It's particularly ironic that the our chaddis should be baying for Afzal Guru's blood while at the same time asking Pakistan to grant clemency and release Sarabjit Singh - who's accused of identical crimes over there.
Yes Unkil, putting someone to death is not something any civilized society should do in a rush just to satisfy some fanatics' bloodlust
>>> So, court decides to hang a guy and then public protests. Based on the protests, court reopens the case, retries the fellow and commutes the sentence and even lets him go free. That indicates the court and judges are senile, and you call that a perfect legal system.
Suppose people had not protested the earlier decision of the court - the guy might be hanged by now based on the first decision of the same court. So much about your defense of the legal system, judges and the court!
> Based on the protests, court reopens the case, retries the fellow...
The court did not reopen the case. It is with the President of India who has the power to grant clemency, like the President of the US does. When I said "I guess the case is back to court now", I was speaking from memory and I was wrong. But at least check the facts before you construct elaborate scenarios to condemn the judges as senile or cast aspersions on the judicial system. If there is any failure to deliver swift justice in this case, it is NOT with the judiciary, it is with the executive branch.
The court did not reopen the case. It is with the President of India who has the power to grant clemency, like the President of the US does. When I said "I guess the case is back to court now", I was speaking from memory and I was wrong. But at least check the facts before you construct elaborate scenarios to condemn the judges as senile or cast aspersions on the judicial system. If there is any failure to deliver swift justice in this case, it is NOT with the judiciary, it is with the executive branch.
For your informacion..
The Indian president cannot sign ANYTHING without the recommendation of the government. So if the President does pardon the convicted terrorists despite their attacking the "democratic" symbol of "secular India" it is only at the behest of the SECULAR GOVERNMENT.
So it s the secular Govt. that is holding its recommendation on the clemency petition until the general elections for the sake of the muslim votes.
The Indian president cannot sign ANYTHING without the recommendation of the government. So if the President does pardon the convicted terrorists despite their attacking the "democratic" symbol of "secular India" it is only at the behest of the SECULAR GOVERNMENT.
So it s the secular Govt. that is holding its recommendation on the clemency petition until the general elections for the sake of the muslim votes.
That is exactly why I said if there is any blame, it rests with the executive branch. That branch includes the Prime Minister and the cabinet.
Wrong. As with any other death row convict anywhere in the world, Afzal Guru's defence asked the President to grant clemency.
I'm not claiming our legal system is perfect but it still provides sufficient checks and balances so bloodthirsty mobs don't get the lynching they so much lust for. If you were unjustly accused of some heinous crime and sentenced to death, I think you'd appreciate these checks and balances much more.
I'm not claiming our legal system is perfect but it still provides sufficient checks and balances so bloodthirsty mobs don't get the lynching they so much lust for. If you were unjustly accused of some heinous crime and sentenced to death, I think you'd appreciate these checks and balances much more.
Are you saying with certainty that YOUR secular Govt. officials did NOT sleep on this case OR intentionally postponing the death sentence OR trying NOT to antagonize the muslim vote bank
AND it is doing everything per stupulated law - which includes and assures PROMPT justice ?
Would like yes , no answers.. No run around BSing...
AND it is doing everything per stupulated law - which includes and assures PROMPT justice ?
Would like yes , no answers.. No run around BSing...
I'm not claiming our legal system is perfect but it still provides sufficient checks and balances so bloodthirsty mobs don't get the lynching they so much lust for. If you were unjustly accused of some heinous crime and sentenced to death, I think you'd appreciate these checks and balances much more.
>>> In stead of blaming the mobs, you should be blaming the legal system and court which sentenced the guy to death in the first place.
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>>> He does not want to scare the perpetrators with that type of tough talk -- catching them and punishing etc. So he is calling for something else.
Communal harmony is better served by not allowing this type of attacks to occur in the first place with such frequency.
That serves his point - to sound credible and be seen doing something.
He probably knows that he (police) won't be able to catch the perpetrators, so he skips the tough talk on them (catching and punishing part). That makes him credible for later - nobody will be able to hurl accusations at Govt. when nothing happens (catching the guilty etc.).
On the other hand, everyone (including the PM) knows that public more or less will stay calm (in spite of a few grumbling here and there) – therefore the talk on "communal" harmony is safe and sure. It also makes the govt. look like as if it is doing something (making noise at least) and that the things are working because of Govt. (i.e. public is calm).