NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian

started by Truthbetold3 7 mnths ago
My request to all educated, smart and enlightened Sulekha posters, can you post the same material without those abusive personal attacks.  Use your full artillery but avoid the stink bombs(personal attacks). Can we also get past this non sensical MI vs SI - circular abuse?
Four southern states are considered SI and rest of India is considered NI.

I have seen lot of cross fire between SI vs NI.  Other than the geographic divide,  what makes these two people different? Are they truly different?

Who is a North Indian?

Does NI means those who speak Hindi?

Hindi is the medium of instruction in Delhi, UP, HP, MP, Bihar and Rajsthan.  I am not sure about Haryana and Jharkhand, medium of  instruction.   Rest of the states  have their own  language. 

Are all NI cultures the same?

As far I can tell, local cultures are vastly different between Bengali and Bihari. Bengalis consider themselves easterners rather than NI. Delhites would fight you to death if you call them UPite.  Marathis and Gujjis are signifcantly different. Neither of them think of themselves as NI. J&K thinks they are not even part of India.

Who is a South Indian?

No two languages can be more similar than Kannada and Telugu. Both states have have long common history.  They share regions that were part of the other culture for a long time. But Kannadiga's are vastly different than Telugus.  AP was curved out of Tamil nadu.  Yet  ask any Tamil, if he would identify himself as a telugu.  Keralites are distinct from the rest of SI.

So what are the characterisitics of a NI or SI? 

What is the language of NI or SI?

What is the culture of NI vs SI?

As many of you are spending enormous amount of time on this topic,  can you take a little bit of your time to define what you mean by these terms NI or SI? Why do you think the NI or SI have those specific characteristics or culture or behavioural tendencies?

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  ElangoD posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 4 mnths ago
 

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  sri-gan posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago

Ennappa unakku vera vellai illaya? 

NI & SI are long gone issues man... so don't waste your time


  (va-gal) posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
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  SoulShaker05 posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
I thought we got over this NI vs. SI nonesense ages ago.


  (va-gal) posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
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  Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
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  Queen Bee posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
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  jaijui posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
oh god  yes   !!   you are a terrible man   VPji 

jaijui   
  Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
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Regards. 
Rajaputhran.



  Queen Bee posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
wow gujju thaliiii....yummmy


  Vivek posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
None! other than the difference on how they tie their dhoti or a lungi. Geniuses and morons come from both NI and SI.

  Shuunya posted Re:NI vs SI : The only non-Indian Flim Phlegm. on 7 mnths ago

Before you get all into this meaningless differentiation, realize that there is ONLY ONE Sulekhite who wants to talk about NI vs SI.

If you post that Benazir got assassinated, he will reply - NIs are like Pakistanis.

If you post that snow might fall tonight, he will reply - Does that mean you will heat up the daal which your wife will serve you in her lehenga choli or some shyt like that.

And so on.

Trolls aside, the only culprit is Flim Flam. He believes in it, brings it up out of nowhere.

As simple as that.


  Dunce Dhamaka posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
A North Indian is an Indian who is loud, brash, arrogant uncouth, vulgar and uncivilised in language and behaviour and a South Indian is an Indian who isn't. It so happens that the majority of the former are from the north of the vindyas and the majority of the latter from the south.

  Ponniyin Selvan posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago

I think India is a very diverse country to be just divided into two regions, South and North. Technically, "South India" is a term used to represent the four southern states. "North India" is a term that is not fully defined. In terms of the language divide, North India is where Hindi is generally accepted and South India is where Hindi is not generally accepted, although different states in the South have different levels of acceptance. 

It is generally a good idea for EVERY Indian to accept the fact that India is a diverse country, and it is not feasible or even necessary for every one to speak the same language or eat the same food. 

India is what European union tries to achieve in the future, a single defence force, a single currency and a common foreign policy but comprising of different people speaking different languages having different cultures and sub cultures. 
Neighboring states / regions have overlapping food habits / subcultures / dress-codes. This happened because of historic reasons.

South India is comfortable with rice/ idli / dosais etc.. whereas the North is comfortable with chapati / daal / rotis..  You see that a successful Tamil movie gets remade / dubbed in Telugu/Kannada/Malayalam and vice versa but not in Bhojpuri. Generally the neighboring states are culturally similar. Likewise, I'd assume, parts of UP and Bihar share a common culture, but differ with people in Maharashtra or southern Orissa.


  jaijui posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
i come from Mumbai ..more cosmoploitan than all other cities of India ..have interacted with all ..SI think  all ..peoples living north of the Krishna river are NI ...even Mumbai they consider NI    ! !   
i can  follow all NI languages  even Bengali ..if I tried hard enough   ...:))  
but cannot  understand a word of the 4 SI languages . also i feel SI are adamantly proud of their ancient language and culture and will not  even attempt  to blend with  the rest of India ..  get defensive

perhaps heres where the difference and resistance happens  lack of communication 
  Amerasian posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
"I come from Mumbai ..more cosmoploitan than all other cities of India ..have interacted with all ..SI think  all ..peoples living north of the Krishna river are NI ...even Mumbai they consider NI    ! !    
I can  follow all NI languages  even Bengali ..if I tried hard enough   ...:))  
but cannot  understand a word of the 4 SI languages . Also, I feel SI are adamantly proud of their ancient language and culture and will not  even attempt  to blend with  the rest of India ..  get defensive

perhaps heres where the difference and resistance happens  lack of communication."

The SIs you are talking about are probably geographically challenged. Mumbai is in the middle-western part of India. Therefore, it's not a part of NI. You say that SIs are admantly proud of their ancient languages and culture, and will not even attempt to blend with the rest of India..get defensive.

I would have to disagree with your on the part where you claim that SI do not even attempt to blend in. How about all those SIs who live in Delhi and Bombay? Can you unequivocally say that all of them have failed to blend into their local communities? I know for a fact that many of them can speak hindi fluently & know all the local customs. IMO, they have 'blended in' very well. Don't let your experience with a few misguided SIs lead you to believe that SIs are not adaptable. As gyan said, Indians go wherever they can find jobs. There are 100s of thousands of Indians in the middle-east; perhaps, millions in Africa. I have met Indians, who worked in countries like Kenya. They learned to speak the local languages. Many of them were actually born & raised in african countries. How about all those tamilians living in Malasia, Thailand & Singapore? In AP, we came across many mallu nurses working at the local christian hospitals.
  jaijui posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago

hi ameriasian,

you are right .mumbai ..maharashtra ..i dont consider in the north of India .its not really ...but SIs  do ..

i am calling it as i see it  ...:) 
I have lots of SI friends ....they really have not blended ..speak  own language  .clannish ...which is fine   ... ..they went to the North to seek jobs  ..
by the way ..i never call them SIs  ,but Tamilians , Telegu , Malayalees and Kannada  ..IMO .... politically incorrect to call them SIs .. 
regards,
jaijui

  flimflam2 posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
"i never call them SIs, but Tamilians, Telegu, Malayalees and Kannada..." -- jaijui.

i rarely believe anything you say, but am willing to forgive you for now, because you appear to be naive, ignorant, and probably, hereditarily brainwashed by the rss and the shiv sena. regardless of how strongly you assert that you're "cosmopolitan", you won't be, until you learn that it's "telUgu," and NOT "telEgu."


btw, telugu and kannada are languages; the people are telugus and kannadigas, respectively; the states are andhra pradesh and karnataka. i learnt all this myself out of my interest in india (doing so didn't drain me of my energy). you didn't, even though you preach about love of india and cosmopolitanism. that's why you're not credible.


as rabindranath said, probably in "shonar bangla," "ya gotta love bengal before ya love india" or sumpn' to that effect, though not exactly in those words. i've never trusted people who profess to be "indians first"; how could they, when they don't know how to spell "T-E-L-U-G-U?"


flimmarasan flamasundaram
  jaijui posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
point taken flimy flammy  ..
  there's no pleasing you        sigh   ! 


  Amerasian posted Re: {jaijui} NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
"I have lots of SI friends ....they really have not blended ..speak  own language  .clannish ...which is fine   ... ..they went to the North to seek jobs .."

Are you trying to say that none of your SI friends have really blended into your NI community? BTW, how do you define "blending in"? 
I do agree that there are some SIs, who tend to be 'clannish'. But isn't it also true that there are other types of people (gujjus, bengalis, upites..etc.) who tend to be clannish?
Some of my relatives who live in Bombay, Poone & Delhi can speak hindi fluently. A few of them have married NIs. From what I have seen, they have blended in very well. Does 'blending in' means disowning your native language and culture?
  jaijui posted Re: {jaijui} NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago

ameriasian,

i am generalizing ..of course i am i always do ..thats the only way ..what my general perception is  of any situation ..
of north indian  ..i have a different set of perceptions ..but that is not the topic here ..of maharashtrains ..another  set .. 
ill be the first to admit their drawbacks

gawd !  wats the madness here about  ?  anyhow ..i cant change your mind  and you can't change mine .
so let's rest our case   
regards,
jai

  SoulShaker05 posted Re: {jaijui} NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
I know south indians who have never lived in the south, they have always lived in the north or cities like Mumbai and New Delhi. They speak hindi and marathi mroe than their own mother tongue, they have friends who are gujju's, punjabi's, marathi's etc..and maybe one south indian. I even know some south indians who have never expressed an interested in moving to the south or any other part of India for that matter.
  jaijui posted Re: {jaijui} NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
sure  soul shaker  , there are always exceptions  ...
i know of all these  and more  
the general perception still stands  as expressed  

  gowser posted Re: {jaijui} NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
That is true why would you move somewhere simply because that is where you originated from years ago.  We too know  a lot of south indians in bombay who have been there for years and are not pining for the south and similarly we have relatives who have lived in madras for 60+ years who are not pining to move back.  The ones in madras speak fluent tamil and the southies who moved up speak fluent hindi etc. However that south indians we know still make a mean dosa and the guys down south still make mean marathi food..  And those of us that are friends with these southies take full advantage of their dosa making skills as we do with all the friends from other communities as everyone literally has something different to bring to the table.
  jaijui posted Re: {jaijui} NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
hi gowser ,
 hows you ? long time no see  
yes   ..   so much so that i've learnt from my Tamilian friends how to make the best dosa and uthappam ..
that's true of people everywhere   ..one  tries to blend   ..with the locals 
regards,
jai





  MaxEntropy_Man posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
what's the deal with blending and you? do you run some kind of juice business?  know this - south indians, especially tamil brahmins, were the first indians to migrate across india and out of india. they have always learned the local language (which in most cases for those who migrated to the north is hindi) and speak it fluently.  yes, they have retained their cultural distinctiveness while thriving in their new surroundings unlike the northindian central government employees and university professors in south india, who not only continue to live in their little state bank of india colony or central leather research institute enclaves, but stubbornly refuse to learn the local language and instead insist that the locals should converse with them in hindi. you are totally off-base. 
  jaijui posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago

aah Max,

nothing personal  .
ahem....wish i ran  a juice business .. would make more profit than wat  i'm doing  now   
like i said ..I know very many Tamilian girls ..majority are like this ..doesnt mean i dont love them
please chill ..and dont take things personally  ..  ..
all Tamilians can't be 100%  perfect ,can they ?    or can they   :) 

  Amerasian posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
"I know very many Tamilian girls."

Really?! Perhaps, you can help Rashmun to find his dream gal (Tamilian girl).:)
  jaijui posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
righttt  ..you want me to get killed  !!   ??   if no one else , my mom  will be sad 



  Truthbetold3 posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
Jai,

You cannot make a judgement about all of SIs without looking little wider than your immdiate experiences. More SIs have learned Hindi than all of NI learning any SI language.  In fact most NI in south get away with minimal local skills in major cities.  An SI does not have any such luxury in NI cities.

Next time you go India, take trip down south and meet some ordinary folks.  Make an effort to interact with people.  You will be surprised to find warm, lving, ordinary people who are very similar to you.
  jaijui posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago

yes i can , truth be told ..

that's how all of us arrive at conclusions

niether is it a judgement  ..merely an observation ..wats to get het up about ...
i have taken several trips  down south  right down to kanya kumari ..
looks like it is a crime to express opinions on CH  unless its the majority  one  

jai

  MaxEntropy_Man posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
please express away but please also do not whine when your opinions are challenged. your expectation that south indians should some how blend into an undefined rest-of-india culture is in their own environs is quite silly.  why should they? i thought you were talking about south indians who have made delhi and bombay their home, if they are the ones you are talking about, then i am afraid your observations are way off base.  in any case, blending is overrated. 
  jaijui posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago

no Max,

im talking about those who have settled in other areas of India ..
i was answering  truth be told s question ,..if ive been down south ..! 
  also i explain stuff badly i admit  ..   uff
me whine ?    " kyaa yaar tu bhi  !   " interpret that if you can !  :P 
would i have taken on  4 of you stalwarts ..in that case  ?   


  jaijui posted Re: NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago

ok dear Max ,

you win ..more later  :)

 gotta get to work   








  MaxEntropy_Man posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
"also i feel SI are adamantly proud of their ancient language and culture and will not  even attempt  to blend with  the rest of India"


>>> the SIs are the real indians. why don't the rest of you blend with us indians?
  goodcitizn2 posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
I am glad you said that. Jaijui is as divisive in her own way treating SI's as if we don't belong in the rest of India. Its a sad commentary about the state of India today, very divisive and fundamentalist in its own parochial beliefs easily using the Southies as scapegoats, The fact remains that we, Southies, have done more to integrate with the North Indians and their culture than the reverse. Yet the proud NI's accept that as if SI's must as their second rate Indian counterparts.
  jaijui posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
max/ good citizen,
 naah dont ever say that .. i'm as cosmopolitan as they come  ..perhaps i used the wrong word or words ..but this has been my observation ..just because the SI were there ist does that mean it has to be their way all the timeor the highway ?
i could use the same argument .... in mumbai then ..the maharashtrians were there ist ..but now it is being overrun by all indians from other states ..btw  ....including the SI  .Does that mean we say to them  ..hey go back to your own state  ...no ..
i also dont believe the SI have done more to integrate ....
this argument will not go anywhere  .so i will  gracefully ease myself out of the situation  ...rather than lose you guys as friends  ...:)
  goodcitizn2 posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
Jaijui: Do you know any SI language? I bet you don't. Being from Mumbai you probably know Hindi and Marati. Fine. But do you think that there needs to be a preferential treatment of one language over another within India? Is your mother better than mine or vice versa. That is the issue here, The SI's have been very kind to your NI mother compared to a NI towards my SI mother. Is that fair? That is really the issue here. I take the view that all mothers are worthy of mutual respect and love. Most of all, our sense of patriotism and loyalty towards Mother India.
  BladeRunner posted Re:NI vs SI : Can you define North Indian or South Indian on 7 mnths ago
This would never work in a country they call Father land