Language wars: Tamils vs Kannadigas
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deep purple posted Dress wars: Lungi vs Dhoti on 3 mnths agoleave it lose or pull it between legs.
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Amerasian posted Re:Dress wars: Lungi vs Dhoti on 3 mnths agoI say leave it loose for better air circulation but make sure you have shorts underneath just in case the lungi gets caught on an escalator and comes off.
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gowser posted Re:Dress wars: Lungi vs Dhoti on 3 mnths agoif you have shorts on undeneath aren't the benefits of air circulation largely lost anyway.
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deep purple posted Re:Dress wars: Lungi vs Dhoti on 3 mnths agodo women wear panties under petticoats?
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gowser posted Re:Dress wars: Lungi vs Dhoti on 3 mnths agosome do some probably do not.
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In Hyderabad, Bangalore, New York, San Francisco, Sulekha, Rediff and every place else you will find native Hindi speakers talking to each other in Hindi even if the rest of the group does not know Hindi. If two Telugu people talk to each other in Telugu in a larger desi group, they simply talk to each other and do not expect the others to understand them. If two native Hindi speakers talk to each other in a larger desi group, they are highly likely to expect that others understand them, and take umbrage at any Indian who does not understand them! Except for that last irritating expectation that everyone understand their language (rather than them speaking in a language everyone understands) this tendency is common to all language groups everywhere around the world.
I have not noticed the behavior u speak of with respect to hindi speaking people. I refer now to hindi speakers who also know english.
I *have* seen the behavior of speaking in their own language when in the midst of people who don't understand it in bengalis , tamils, and kashmiris.
I *have* seen the behavior of speaking in their own language when in the midst of people who don't understand it in bengalis , tamils, and kashmiris.
> I have not noticed the behavior u speak of with respect to hindi speaking people.
One place you can begin to notice it is right here on CH. In the middle of a serious discussion in English, some posters will write a sentence of Hindi. It is not just native Hindi speakers* who do this; everybody does it.
* I am getting tired of writing native Hindi speakers. I need a collective noun real quick. Since Hindians is deemed offensive, perhaps I will start using NHS.
One place you can begin to notice it is right here on CH. In the middle of a serious discussion in English, some posters will write a sentence of Hindi. It is not just native Hindi speakers* who do this; everybody does it.
* I am getting tired of writing native Hindi speakers. I need a collective noun real quick. Since Hindians is deemed offensive, perhaps I will start using NHS.
have u seen this behavior in me? This behavior is probably used only by people whose english is poor so that they have difficulty expressing their thoughts in english.
lemme repeat a story here...
In my not-so-insignificant town we had a gathering and there were 3 Hindians and a non-hindian in the group when I joined the chit chat - I was new here. I did not mind them talking in Hindi and I could make out the subject matter and interjected in english now and then, which gave them the impression that I knew hindi (now you know where I got my in-born sulekha skills). After a while they were upset that I repeatedly spoke in English and asked me Tum Hindi me bolo ji to which I replied Hum Hindi nahi malum. They were pissed off and refused to talk to me turning their face away a bit.
Thought to myself.. and laughed......What a bunch of motel morons.
In my not-so-insignificant town we had a gathering and there were 3 Hindians and a non-hindian in the group when I joined the chit chat - I was new here. I did not mind them talking in Hindi and I could make out the subject matter and interjected in english now and then, which gave them the impression that I knew hindi (now you know where I got my in-born sulekha skills). After a while they were upset that I repeatedly spoke in English and asked me Tum Hindi me bolo ji to which I replied Hum Hindi nahi malum. They were pissed off and refused to talk to me turning their face away a bit.
Thought to myself.. and laughed......What a bunch of motel morons.
Its quite a controversial topic. Not to the fact that its between Kannada vs Tamil. However if you take two different languages and start comparing it, at the end of day, yes indeed its gonna turn out contraversial. I have been in Bangalore for the past 5 years and in Chennai for the past 7 months tough from Andhra Pradesh.
The only reason, I could very well relate myself to Bangalore is the fact that they speak telugu which is quite easy for me and my wife.
However coming to the mail topic, I totally discourage people speaking their native language in front of others who don't understand the language.
In offices, specially now a days, I feel very much down or left alone as when I am in a group of my friends / team mates, they kee talking in Tamil which I don't know. As in my 7 months, 3 months I have spent in US....
I try to remind them that there is a person who doesn't know the local language however they keep ignoring for whatever reason which I have no clue off.
Same situation arises in Bangalore as well, where initially I didn't know the local languaage, however out of anger and outburst I took it as a challenge and learnt the language.
Same is the situation here that I have started to learn the local language and may be one day I may also start to converse in Tamil.
The bottom point what I want to convey is - please look at the other person and make him feel comfortable and speak to him / group which and speak to them in a language that everyone are most comfortable in it......
The only reason, I could very well relate myself to Bangalore is the fact that they speak telugu which is quite easy for me and my wife.
However coming to the mail topic, I totally discourage people speaking their native language in front of others who don't understand the language.
In offices, specially now a days, I feel very much down or left alone as when I am in a group of my friends / team mates, they kee talking in Tamil which I don't know. As in my 7 months, 3 months I have spent in US....
I try to remind them that there is a person who doesn't know the local language however they keep ignoring for whatever reason which I have no clue off.
Same situation arises in Bangalore as well, where initially I didn't know the local languaage, however out of anger and outburst I took it as a challenge and learnt the language.
Same is the situation here that I have started to learn the local language and may be one day I may also start to converse in Tamil.
The bottom point what I want to convey is - please look at the other person and make him feel comfortable and speak to him / group which and speak to them in a language that everyone are most comfortable in it......
I have seen the behavior of Tamils, Telugus, Bengalis, Punjabis and UP bhayyas (all with university degrees). Here is my observation:
Tamils speak in Tamil to fellow Tamilians (with some English words) but in English (with a Tamil accent) to non-Tamilians.
Telugus speak in Telugu (except if they are Hyderabadis) to fellow Telugus (with some English words) but in English (with Telugu accent) to non-Telugus.
Bengalis speak in Bengali to fellow Bengalis but in English (with a heavy Bengali accent) to non-Bengalis.
Punjabis speak to Punjabis in Punjabi and in Hindi (or even Punjabi) to non-Punjabi Indians.
UP bhayyas speak in Hindi-Urdu to UP bhayyas and speak in Hindi-Urdu to non-UPbhayya Indians.
Tamils speak in Tamil to fellow Tamilians (with some English words) but in English (with a Tamil accent) to non-Tamilians.
Telugus speak in Telugu (except if they are Hyderabadis) to fellow Telugus (with some English words) but in English (with Telugu accent) to non-Telugus.
Bengalis speak in Bengali to fellow Bengalis but in English (with a heavy Bengali accent) to non-Bengalis.
Punjabis speak to Punjabis in Punjabi and in Hindi (or even Punjabi) to non-Punjabi Indians.
UP bhayyas speak in Hindi-Urdu to UP bhayyas and speak in Hindi-Urdu to non-UPbhayya Indians.
Kind of what I was about to write.
I notice people talk in their native language when they see someone from their region - out of familiarity or excitement. I look at it as a normal phenomena by average people and just appreciate their love of their mother tongue. I have no problem sitting in the middle of 20 Hindians talking in Hindi among themselves. Happened many times and I focus my attention on trying to understand what they are talking about - without getting offended. Every once in a while they realize their mistake and switch back to English but it does not last too long. The problem comes only when a group seems to justify their action with fictitious reasons and sometimes putting down others openly.
Once my wife complained about otehr groups and I shot back sayign she did the same whenever she was with her friends but did not realize it. Needless to say I get a link for an article "10 ways to become a better husband"
I notice people talk in their native language when they see someone from their region - out of familiarity or excitement. I look at it as a normal phenomena by average people and just appreciate their love of their mother tongue. I have no problem sitting in the middle of 20 Hindians talking in Hindi among themselves. Happened many times and I focus my attention on trying to understand what they are talking about - without getting offended. Every once in a while they realize their mistake and switch back to English but it does not last too long. The problem comes only when a group seems to justify their action with fictitious reasons and sometimes putting down others openly.
Once my wife complained about otehr groups and I shot back sayign she did the same whenever she was with her friends but did not realize it. Needless to say I get a link for an article "10 ways to become a better husband"
In office, professional matters, or in social gatherings & even when among friends..... it is wrong & unsocial of those people People who speak their regional langauge in presence of others( who dont follow the language & where a common language of communication exists or is possible like say a english..). It doesnt matter they are tamilians, kanndigas, mallus, gultis, gujjus, punjabis, bongs, maharashtrians...... there are folks in all communities who behave unsocial & unfriendly when it comes to such matters.
I totally agree with you. If you know you're in a mixed environment, why must you carry on in a different language? It's extremely rude.
Not only in professional and social settings, but on virtual forums as well!!
Seriously folks - there are tons of forums dedicated to every single Indian language that exists. If you want to carry on in Tamizh or Hindi or whatever, carry yourself over there. Why can't this be one forum that stays in English?? If you need to communicate in your language to another member, send them a note.
Not only in professional and social settings, but on virtual forums as well!!
Seriously folks - there are tons of forums dedicated to every single Indian language that exists. If you want to carry on in Tamizh or Hindi or whatever, carry yourself over there. Why can't this be one forum that stays in English?? If you need to communicate in your language to another member, send them a note.
Don't you think that all the mudslinging is religiously carried out in English for the benefit of all readers ?
But, I do agree... We used to have a rule - temporarily - to state in the header if a post is in a different language. The "newbies" may not be aware of that rule and hence the multi-lingual post confusion.
But, I do agree... We used to have a rule - temporarily - to state in the header if a post is in a different language. The "newbies" may not be aware of that rule and hence the multi-lingual post confusion.
It doesnt matter they are tamilians, kanndigas, mallus, gultis, gujjus, punjabis, bongs, maharashtrians...... there are folks in all communities who behave unsocial & unfriendly when it comes to such matters.
Right, I think you missed out the hindians.
Right, I think you missed out the hindians.
I dont think Srilankans know much about India....
Intentionally missed... because all above can also be Hindians. You are partly right... normally in remote villages, lesser known towns ...english, Hindi doesnt have a big presence..but in most top cities, metropolitan-cosmopolitan cities & prominent villages where there is flow of people from all states... Hindi & english is one common factor.
I think you are ignorant. You added Tamilians, Kannadigas, Gultis to the list. They are definitely not Hindians as the data from the census shows.
I'm amused by your definition of cosmopolitanism.
I'm amused by your definition of cosmopolitanism.
Yeah...not new...village bums do get amused (mostly awed, shocked) when they hear about metropolitanism & cosmopolitanism. They cant absorb the fact that there is world out there which socially co-exists with people of varied backgrounds, varied cultures, varied religions, varied income groups...
I'm further amused by the unnecessary attacks (like calling some others bums ) perpertrated by the so called cosmopolitans just for not agreeing with their point of view.
They cant absorb the fact that there is world out there which socially co-exists with people of varied backgrounds, varied cultures, varied religions, varied income groups...
Don't you think this is a bit too much coming from a person who can't accept a different point of view and call the opponents as village bums without refuting anything logically.
Don't you think this is a bit too much coming from a person who can't accept a different point of view and call the opponents as village bums without refuting anything logically.
Yeah you are right there. It shouldnt be marked to all village folks (since it was people from all areas who also come down & are part of any cosmopolitan city) ......
Take my word back for all village folks........
..but instead it should only be marked to selective bums.
p.s: There another trait of cosmopolitan city folks... ready to accpet, adapt, adopt, accept change & welcome all.
You said something that you cannot back up
Intentionally missed... because all above can also be Hindians. You are partly right... normally in remote villages, lesser known towns ...english, Hindi doesnt have a big presence..but in most top cities, metropolitan-cosmopolitan cities & prominent villages where there is flow of people from all states... Hindi & english is one common factor.
But then you come back and abuse the questioner by insinuating them as a village bum. And the best of all is that you claim to be a cosmopolitan and write big stuff like this.
p.s: There another trait of cosmopolitan city folks... ready to accpet, adapt, adopt, accept change & welcome all.
. Maybe you should have some personal doubts that you are not what you think you are. You can't even withstand an opposing viewpoint without resorting to abuse.
I am tired of just look at the title of this thread....so let me change the topic (if you don't mind!)
So, you grew up in Tambaram?! I spend some of my childhood summers there (when my father was a faculty member at MCC)...in fact, MCC was/is filled is my relatives galore- I mean nepotism galore:)
Anyways, have lots of nice memories..of movie theaters, market and restaurants there..
Did you study in MCC?
M
Intentionally missed... because all above can also be Hindians. You are partly right... normally in remote villages, lesser known towns ...english, Hindi doesnt have a big presence..but in most top cities, metropolitan-cosmopolitan cities & prominent villages where there is flow of people from all states... Hindi & english is one common factor.
But then you come back and abuse the questioner by insinuating them as a village bum. And the best of all is that you claim to be a cosmopolitan and write big stuff like this.
p.s: There another trait of cosmopolitan city folks... ready to accpet, adapt, adopt, accept change & welcome all.
. Maybe you should have some personal doubts that you are not what you think you are. You can't even withstand an opposing viewpoint without resorting to abuse.
I am tired of just look at the title of this thread....so let me change the topic (if you don't mind!)
So, you grew up in Tambaram?! I spend some of my childhood summers there (when my father was a faculty member at MCC)...in fact, MCC was/is filled is my relatives galore- I mean nepotism galore:)
Anyways, have lots of nice memories..of movie theaters, market and restaurants there..
Did you study in MCC?
M
>> (when my father was a faculty member at MCC)
Let me help you change the direction further. Do you think Phlegmy might know your father ? or his father might have known your father, studied under your father, etc....
Boy O Boy...won't that be interesting ?....:))))
Anyone and everyone in MCC knew/knows my father (well, that's the daughter's pride speaking:-)
Anything is possible...I actually used to play "Trade game" (Monopoly) with the children of many of the other faculty members and used to go on picnics to movies with them! (I don't remember anyone being ugly and mean to me though..they were charming young men and women:)
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Let me help you change the direction further. Do you think Phlegmy might know your father ? or his father might have known your father, studied under your father, etc....
Boy O Boy...won't that be interesting ?....:))))
Anyone and everyone in MCC knew/knows my father (well, that's the daughter's pride speaking:-)
Anything is possible...I actually used to play "Trade game" (Monopoly) with the children of many of the other faculty members and used to go on picnics to movies with them! (I don't remember anyone being ugly and mean to me though..they were charming young men and women:)
M
Interesting. looks like we have a few people from Tambaram commenting here.
(I don't remember anyone being ugly and mean to me though..they were charming young men and women:)
I can understand who this is directed against.
(I don't remember anyone being ugly and mean to me though..they were charming young men and women:)
I can understand who this is directed against.
Now that you are talking about Tambaram... lemme also join...:)))))
Rememebr AF station, Mahalakshmi nagar and Salaiyur Post I used to visit there often... when I was in Madras for a while. many times, the damn buses would not show up for a long time (51F, H ?) and ended up going by auto. Since I was young, I did not walk and went only by auto like all lazy youngsters did. The trees at the Tamabaram station east side were fantastic and I would envy those shop owners and auto wallahs and even the beggars who got to sleep in that shade during the hot summer days.
I rememebr posting morning coffee one day in 2003 from one of the net cafes there by the station and of course our own phelgmy was making some wry comments . I was smiling sitting right there in his backyard den....:)
Rememebr AF station, Mahalakshmi nagar and Salaiyur Post I used to visit there often... when I was in Madras for a while. many times, the damn buses would not show up for a long time (51F, H ?) and ended up going by auto. Since I was young, I did not walk and went only by auto like all lazy youngsters did. The trees at the Tamabaram station east side were fantastic and I would envy those shop owners and auto wallahs and even the beggars who got to sleep in that shade during the hot summer days.
I rememebr posting morning coffee one day in 2003 from one of the net cafes there by the station and of course our own phelgmy was making some wry comments . I was smiling sitting right there in his backyard den....:)
It was a mess those days to goto the eastern side. (with the railway gate)
I don't know if you are aware of the "Bhats paradise" hotel in the Tambaram bus stand. They have awesome "samosas / paav bhaji" etc..
Funny to think of that while discussing language issues.
I don't know if you are aware of the "Bhats paradise" hotel in the Tambaram bus stand. They have awesome "samosas / paav bhaji" etc..
Funny to think of that while discussing language issues.
Actually, with Madras extending to Vandalur and SP Koil, tambaram was no more an outpost. The traffic was tremendous with the Bus stand resembling a full fledged Broadway bus stand. Worse half the buses from Madras would not even stop.
But I remember talkign a long walk along the Highway to someone's house - on a hot summer afternoon - But, the shades from the huge trees made that walk very pleasant. Wait till the current airport construction is finished. The traffic will be ridiculous.
Railway gate?....hm....hm.... looks like you are older than me.....;)
But I remember talkign a long walk along the Highway to someone's house - on a hot summer afternoon - But, the shades from the huge trees made that walk very pleasant. Wait till the current airport construction is finished. The traffic will be ridiculous.
Railway gate?....hm....hm.... looks like you are older than me.....;)
Railway gate?....hm....hm.... looks like you are older than me.....;)
Nope. the subway was constructed only in the last few years. not when I was studying.
Nope. the subway was constructed only in the last few years. not when I was studying.
I always tried to avoid the gate. As I came by train and went to the east side. Very few times went to the west side to catch a bus to Chinglepet (notice the spelling).
Anyway..the serenity that was in tambaram is not there anymore.
Anyway..the serenity that was in tambaram is not there anymore.
What subway?!
You'all mean electric trains? Looks like they have more broad gauge lines.
Obviously a lot has changed (the last time I was there was two years ago)..but at the same time..some things have not.
Had lunch at a restaurant called "Kurinchi"...the food was very good.
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I meant the Indian "subway" not the American one.
underpass bridges are called subways in India. Being a proefssor's daughter and living in the green campus like MCC, I don't think you feel the pain the rest of the commoners like me felt.
underpass bridges are called subways in India. Being a proefssor's daughter and living in the green campus like MCC, I don't think you feel the pain the rest of the commoners like me felt.
:)
The professor's daughter only spent her summers there...but she was quite fortunate and grew up in a lovely green home in Vellore (which was really amazing- filled with the most unusual experiences)..Anyways, there is a lot more to the story!
But, the good part is...I had/have people who reminded/remind me that I am very much commoner and have to strive for "a simple life". I still live a very simple and modest lifestyle- and would not exchange it for anything:)
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