Indian definitions of "secularism" and "communalism"

started by Ponniyin Selvan 1 month ago
I'm compiling a list of items to serve as a guide for people who are interested in finding definitions for certain words and how they are used in the Indian political context. Feel free to add.

Majority Muslims riot in Kashmir and deny land to minority Hindu pilgrims - secularism
Majority Hindus in rest of India organise a bandh against it                            - communalism

Bengal's leftist govt, chasing out Taslima Nasreen from Kolkata to Delhi, and later India's central govt. by UPA chasing her out of India for hurting Muslim sentiments - secularism
BJP and VHP workers filing cases against M.F.Hussain for hurting Hindu sentiments - communalism

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  Munir.Akram posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
Begum Raza, Catchy sloganeering, spin and hype were very typical of the nazi era!  We see more Goebbels among islamofascists who are worse than nazis and colonialists combined. "Secularism and communalism are two such words!! 

Now everyone knows

In 1947 on the first I-DAY, the Hindu Civil Society perhaps thought the {later known as "savage"}  islamic communalists will be equals with equal rights and equal duties and responsibilities! Alas, it has been a pipe dream!!  These communalists have been grabbing more than their fair share  with the use of savage force - time and again; and they keep on robbing big pieces out of the "small Saffron roti"{ to quote Seetha-ji} with the result farmers are commiting suicide, MP's mothers are unable to feed their babies...etc all 'coz of the criminal and economic burden the pakki wards have been - the 20% of the population - the abominable masses of pakki refugees left dumped on India illegitimately - esp-ly the azmi-hashmi-khan types who dominate bollywood, politics...etc.

Thus, one thought colonialism was worse than nazism; now we know islamofascism which is the worst combination of  both is obviously worse than both! I.e minority rule by use of savage force - combining nazi Germany and botha's S Africa.  Let me quote you, Begum Raza:=

"It is not prudent to spend your hard earned money and valuable time on a morally questionable characters like bollywood khans  You are all gambling your future of Mother India away like Arjun's brothers in the epic story did to Draupadi. 
 
Simple advice...to muslims
"Dont insult your Hindu hosts.....that too, dont behave savagely!!   If you do, dont be surprised if you are kicked out unceremoniously!! "

Let us expose bollywood and cricket mafia via might of the pen or boycott them!  !
I wish India is as tough on savage islamic communalists as Morocco, Saudistan are."//////

And again:= "One cant force hate into or erase Hindutva from the minds of the secular public, the same way you cant force love towards "savage islamic communalists and xian crooks..."

The "different forms of Hinduism" have always been respected as part of a rich Hindu pluralistic tradition. It is the anti-democratic and anti-secular minority section that  is attempting  "to establish political (neo-colonial) dominance over "others" in a vicious and insidious climate of  us-versus-they type polarizing bigotted hate politics and divisive antics where loss of Hindu lives is not critical, loss of their ancient culture is not important, loss of their wealth is trivial...and so on. 

Certainly, the Hindutva secularists continue to tolerate Moslems and Christians, though they may not always be excessively tolerant towards their criminal or nefariously dangerous activities, their savage atrocities and their complicit antics in weakening of the economy and secular social fabric
."//////////


  Fareena Raza posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago


Mr Selvan, The confused and confusing use of these two terms is merely meant to exploit the "secular" public! Here I mean public are to be designated as truly "secular" - no need for any confusion!!  As far as anti-BJP walas go, "you won't be (confused) if you substitute Opportunism in the place of Secularism"!!! 

Anyways, I have the highest respect for you and highest regards for your views, as you seem to grasp the neo-colonial politics of the anti-Hindus!! Same respect goes for other patriotic citizens of Hindustan!!  (Yes, I wont phrases like you are  "
as narrow as your breasts are.." to cite a vulgar brute and other crude rogues always onto personal attacks unless...!!)


  Vaidyanathan Pushpagiri posted Re:Indian definitions of "secularism" and "communalism" on 1 month ago

Ponniyin Selvan:

And most such definitions appearing in this Sulekha Forum "for people who are interested in finding definitions" "Obfuscationism"  [The activity of obscuring people's understanding, leaving them baffled or bewildered.]

Ha re Krishna! Guruvayurappa!! Enikku Ithuvum Venum, Iniyum Venum!!!

Muruga, Senthilvadivela, Selvakumara, Saranam! Saranam!! 

Regards. 
Rajaputhran.


  peacegazer posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
going to make a sweeping comment.

muslims in general suck.  the rest of the world should say enough is enough.
  Merlot Daruwala posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
This is just plain old suckularism.
  peacegazer posted Re:Indian definitions of - LOL! *nt* on 1 month ago
bola na..nt ...



  Recycled Soul posted Re:Indian definitions of "secularism" and "communalism" on 1 month ago
This  "-isms " reminds me of these ones... inspired by the cow-ism jokes...

Infosys-ism: You have 1000 cows. You put them on a nice campus & later send them in batches to the US for milking.

Wipro-ism : You have 25 cows. You make them work till they milk for 100 cows.

TCS -ism : You dont have cows, you use donkeys instead. Gadha-majdoori.... 

Tata-ism :  You have a very old Cow. You resell it as Tata Indi-cow.

Reliance- ism : You dont have cows. But yet you sell empty cans of milk to people for Rs.501 because Dhirubhai wanted everyone to have milk.

  JBF posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
hindus are gandus by nature and are confused in the communal sence.

  Seva posted Re:Indian definitions of "secularism" and "communalism" on 1 month ago
have you seen the following:

daarry  (beard) --- secularism;
moonchh (mustache) -- communalism.

  tejasvee posted Re:Indian definitions of "secularism" and "communalism" on 1 month ago
PS - Some I can think of on top of my head..

Placing an idol of a bigot atheist (Periyar) in front of an ancient Hindu temple to insult Hindus - Secularism
Protesting against that - Communalism

Protest against burning of a train car full of Hindu pilgrims - Communalism
Protest against riots that broke out on streets with majority Muslim casuality - Secularism

Let millions of illegal Bangladeshi muslims come to India in hordes - Secularism
Point fingers on a few of those misguided youths suspected of Jaipur & other bomb blasts - Communalism

Join hands with BJP - Communalism
Join hands with 'Muslim' league - Secularism

Vande Mataram - Communalism
Vande Mata 'Rome' - Secularism

Chaddi - Communalism
Topi - Secularism

Haj government subsidy/expenses in hundreds of crores - Secularism
Talk about subsidizing Tirupati, Kumbha Mela, Vaishnodevi or Shabari Malai pilgrimages - Secularism

Government in charge of Hindu temple money handling, using it to pay for mosques & churches - Secularism
Talk about government even monitoring Waqf fund or missionary donations - Communalism

Uniform civil code talk - You damn communalist
Shariat in a 'secular & democratic' Indian state (J&K) - Shining glory of Secularism 

Want more? 
  -sandilya. posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
>>>>>Vande Mataram - Communalism
>>>>>Vande Mata 'Rome' - Secularism

Indeed!

  tejasvee posted Re:Indian definitions of "secularism" and "communalism" on 1 month ago

Keep a road named in the heart of capital, after the worst tyrant India has seen in the last 1000 years, Aurangzeb - Secularism

Question about that - Communalism

  carvaka posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
Is there a road named after Aurangzeb in Delhi? Is it in old Delhi near the Red Fort?
  tejasvee posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
carvaka - Aurangzeb road meets the famous Safdarjung road.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=aurangzeb+road+delhi&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

I still can't believe that India honors it's worst tyrant by  naming a road after him the central part of it's capital. How many 'Hitler' roads are out there in Berlin?
  JBF posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
you are as narrow as your breasts are..

Aurangzeb was bad ,but he was a great administrator.

  carvaka posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
Wow. This is not even old Delhi; it's in south Delhi. I wonder who named it and when. I am usually apathetic to name changes, but this is one name change that sounds like a good idea to me!
  tejasvee posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
A guy who has done this much damage to India & Hindus over his lifetime DOES NOT deserve a road named after him. 

http://according-to-mughal-records.blogspot.com/  (someone posted this in Sulekha earlier)

Can someone explain the 'secularists'? Some of us can sponsor the cost of explaining the need to rename that particular road.


  Silhouette posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
Ironically, even Hilter is popular in India.
  BittuZing posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
but ju are popular in my heart.

xoxo, Bittu
  Silhouette posted Re:Indian definitions of (Bittu) on 1 month ago
Hey, have you ever been to this place called Wildwoods in NJ? Good, bad, a waste of time?
  BittuZing posted Re:Indian definitions of (Bittu) on 1 month ago
Good if you like the beach. It's like Cape May. Are you gonna be there this long weekend? I can drive up and show you around. I'll be your personal driver-slave-friend-sextoy all weekend long.

mera saara pyaar tum ko, Bittu
  Silhouette posted Re:Indian definitions of (Bittu) on 1 month ago
Would there be enough to do for loud, noisy and lazy aunties & uncles, cousins in 1-digit, more cousins in teenage and yet more in tweenties? Ok, stop by, I have an uncle who's very very friendly with everyone's male friends. Seriously, no kidding. And aunties who will feed you sufficiently after your hide-n-seek with the uncle.
  BittuZing posted Re:Indian definitions of (Bittu) on 1 month ago
wow. everyone seems to have a gay uncle in the family. I don't think I do, or that I know of anyway.

Like I said, you'll have a great time if you like being at the beach, engaged in 'beachy' activities like the boardwalk, jet skiing, boating, clubbing, lazing on the sand, ogling hotties, drinking, joy riding, eating, drinking some more, sexoring with Bittu....
  Silhouette posted Re:Indian definitions of (Bittu) on 1 month ago
Sounds good! Except for the beach, a bit like Lake George I guess.
  BittuZing posted Re:Indian definitions of (Bittu) on 1 month ago
You been to Cape May? Wildwood is like that, just 10%  cheaper. I had NO idea  you're in NJ. wow. Can't believe ki  tum itni paas phir bhi kitna door...*sigh*
  Silhouette posted Re:Indian definitions of (Bittu) on 1 month ago
> I had NO idea  you're in NJ.

I AM NOT IN NEW JERSEY. And I'm already sick at the thought of missing an exit on NJ Turnpike and then driving in circles for the next 50 miles just to make a U turn. Alrighty then, back to work
  BittuZing posted Re:Indian definitions of (Bittu) on 1 month ago
where ARE you then? throw this dog a bone....









  tejasvee posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
Is there a road named after Hitler? I didn't know..
  Silhouette posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
Does it have be a road? How about a restaurant?

  tejasvee posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
Silhouette - That link says the owner of that hotel decided to change the name when confronted. Must have been some ad campaign by a young private citizen.

What I am bothered about is the government's decision to name a national capital's prime road named after a tyrant. I just can't believe it still the extent of 'secularism' embedded in our babu log!
  Silhouette posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
"In Gujarat, textbooks have praised Hitler's leadership abilities, fascism and the Nazi movement. Until recently, state social studies textbooks have featured chapters on "Hitler, the Supremo" and "Internal Achievements of Nazism." The textbooks have been changed slightly this year but still barely mention the Holocaust.

Bal Thackeray, the founder of Shiv Sena, a Hindu fundamentalist party based in Mumbai, has openly praised Hitler and said he was willing to wipe out troublemaking Muslims. Shiv Sena's secretary, Anil Desai, said Thackeray liked Hitler's leadership abilities, not his attempts to exterminate the Jews.

Thackeray likes "the way Hitler pushed the things in his time," Desai said."

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I hear ya, perhaps the Govn. has similar resons for getting excited about Aurangzeb - there must be someting magical but his tyrannical leadership skills as well. I think Rashmun can explain better.

  carvaka posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
> there must be someting magical but his tyrannical leadership skills as well. I think Rashmun can explain better.

LOL... JBF has done the needful already. 

Seriously though, I don't know when the street was named after the Alamgir who is revered by the most backward-looking past-hankering elements of the Muslim community. For the government to officially name a street thusly is in really bad taste indeed. 
  Rashmun posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago

Carvaka, what do u think of renaming Aurangzeb Road to Jahangir Road? (there already exists an Akbar Road in the vicinity so u can't rename Aurangzeb Road as Akbar Road)

I have no clue about when or why or by whom this road was named after Aurangzeb. but i agree that communal figures like Aurangzeb should not be honoured in this fashion (naming roads after them, etc.)

there is also a krishna menon road by the way in the vicinity; we all know that menon was a bit of an ass.

  Rashmun posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago

Carvaka,

another idea:

how about renaming it to ZainulAbideen Road?

 

 

  Rashmun posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
Zain ul Abideen Road, that is
  carvaka posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
That's not a bad idea. They can name it after one of the many prominent local figures of Delhi as well. There is no dearth of "decent" historic figures to name Delhi streets after.




  tejasvee posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
Someone already has asked for this road to be renamed. http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/015399.php

The only thing that would happen is that the person asking for renaming will be termed 'communal'!


  tejasvee posted Re:Indian definitions of on 1 month ago
I don't care much for Thackeray's utterances, as recently he called for 'Hindu suicide' squads.. It's deplorable.

I would be shocked if Gujarat text books did praise Hitler. Do you have any credible reference or a snapshot of that particular book? Such text books can have bad effects on children who may believe that Hitler was indeed great.