I would like to hear anyone's opinion on this.

started by Jauhari 7 mnths ago
Everyone seems to want to take sides with the blacks, in the U.S,. because of slavery.  The blacks, for the most part, will not work.  They pump out kid after kid and won't take care of them.  70% of black families don't have a father in the home.  50%-70% of black teens won't graduate from highschoool.  50% of black girls have a sexually transmitted desease.  Our prisons are comprised of 90% blacks.  Our government pays so much for the blacks in forms of grants and scholarships but the blacks won't take advantage of them.  All of this is blamed on slavery?  Why is it that the Whites went through the Irish potato famine where over a million white died, and we becoome successful?  We don't ask for anything in return.  Why is it the Jews, where more than 6 million died, went through the holocaust, and they become successful today.  They don't ask for a handout neither.  How can the men and women come to America from India, and even at a disadvantage, they become successful?  Yet, the blacks in America want the whites to take care of them like they are our pet dog or something.  Blacks don't even try here.  And slavery was so long ago that most blacks don't even have relatives that were slaves.  Most blacks have no idea if their ancestors were slaves or not.  The blacks will ride this gravy train for as long as they can though. 

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  A writers life posted Re:I would like to hear anyone's opinion on this. on 7 mnths ago
Actually, you are missing a very important fact in all of this.  The current young black man has been extremely successful and most of the rest - like yourself - have completely missed it.  Yes, I'm talking about the illegal drug trade.  This, unfortunately, is where the young American black man has excelled.  Just like the gangsters did during Prohibition - that's where the Kennedy family got their money and power from - and several others.  As for not graduating from high school, it's not just a black youth problem, it's any child who isn't from a wealthy family and who doesn't fit into the mold or pattern that the schools here are designed to teach to. Any child that is either above average or below average is lost in the public school system.  Most of the public schools teach the students to follow instructions - not to be creative or to think - because the rationale behind that is most will be blue collar workers and need to read and follow instructions.  As for the the fatherless families - again take a look at the numbers for the other races in this country as well.  The teen pregnancy rates are off the charts and no, teaching abstinence in our culture does not and has not worked.  They should keep the religious idiots out of the schools and go back to teaching about birth control. 
So, are you just argumentative or are your truly as racist as you seem? 

  rajee kushwaha posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
would you like to quote the source of your mouthful of blabberings and generalised rantings? I am sure once OBAMA gets elected you would also not ask these silly questions. Do you know what is WHITEMAN's Burden? The answer, my friend is the WHITEMAN himself. You want statistics--90% of conflicts in the world are initiated by your so called superior white class---The two world wars, where millions of people perished  in the last century ,was initiated by your whitemen-.  Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Talibans and Terrorism are the 21st Century gift to mankind by your whitemen. Do you want proof?  You know the truth about WMD in IRAQ? What a mess you have made of this country? The other day only the Commander of US STRATEGIC COMMAND resigned because he was convinced of the wrong approach of USA against A-PIT  (Afghanistan,  Pakistan , Iraq and T errorism)  This PIT has been dug by WHITEMAN.  Do you need proof?  I am astonished at your shameful act  of raising fingers at others without realising that your four fingers are pointed at you.

  Pravalika Nanda posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago

Slavery is an African custom. Tribes of that continet would fight each other and the defeated were held captive and sold off to other tribes or white people in exchange for cattle and grain or bullion. White people got involved in this slave trade and were able to purchase africans in greater numbers cuz they had the money to and brought thme to America. In the process, African children were separated from their families and often joined other Africans with whom they did not share a language or religion or traditions. The tribes of Africa are very different from each other and hate each other. They have no solidarity. Even now in Africa there is no peace. This is a continent with people who really did not develop a culture or trdations or schools of thinking. I remember there was this time when people thought that Haile selassie was a god.  I think he was gunned down later on. But there is this horiffic bigotry within Africa: the hutus think they are middle easterners and racially superior to none other than people who look almost exactly like them, the tootsies. Africa is like the wild, wild west with crazy islamophiles ( a more recent trend), and now there's a trend towards afrocentrism which I believe will get stronger cuz of the african americans in north america.

Anyhow my point is that Africans did not develop a culture. Yes, you can pull up one or two references to soem greta cities in Africa but something went wrong with the Africans. It's too long and difficult to elaborate, but their suffering seems to be the result of a failure to develop a culture, a lack of altruism towards their nrighbors, and their seems to have been no inspiration, ie no source of inspiration even back then.  A lack of undersatnding and compassion between their own peoples led to non-communication and constant warfare. WHen they were put on those boats to America they had no common language or religion, they had no parents or families, and they had to start from scratch. And now they have something, I think. It's nowhere near good or acceptable but give them another two hundred years and I think they will have something they can be proud of.

Black people are a part of America and as our compatriots they desevrve all the help the govt can afford to give them so that they can be part of mainstream America. 

Aside: I feel that the lives of Africans mirror that of the autochthonous peoples of India and I feel strongly  that the caste system of India was a grave, grave  mistake and is THE cause of India's backwardness. Cuz how can a nation become a great nation when we cannot be considerate to our neighbors? How can a nation become great when a large percent of its popl is denied education and the opprtunity to contriobute? there is no nationalism and fellowship if a  group of people are suppressed. No society can succeed that way. Southern Brahmins are often commended for having kept up their traditions and music but think of the potential destroyed by keeping so many millions of indians in the dark! How many mathematicians, mechanical engineers, chemists, scientists, scoial reformers, philosophers, nationalists, microbiologists has India lost! We missed the industrial revolution, we lost everything to the british,. Today's India is so tiny, we've lost a lot of land. When a nation fails or an empire falls it is because of inequalities within the social structure.

Of course, India got luckier than Africa cuz Hinduism which was an inclusive relion predates the caste system by thousands of years. Those years allowed for bonding and commonalities and friendships and marriages between different people  to occur. So we got at least a bit of culture.

  batataburger posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
On what are you basing you opinion. Africa is not one monolithic region. It is a continent made up of vast number of nation states (largest number of any continent) and even greater number of ethnic sub-groups. Therefore to expect something on the lines of "pan-African culture or custom" is unrealistic. Western culture frankly speaking is a product of past 50-100 years. More specifically the European culture is mainly result of post-renaissance period. How many nation states in Europe were really democratic before world-wars ?

Lot of Africa's problems can be directly trace to colonialism. I haven't looked up but at least 80% or greater portion can easily said to have been under colonial rule for a long time. Most of the African nation states are European (primarily British creations). Even Hutus and Tootsies were British creations as part of their divide and rule. Most of the western Europe which was devasted by WW-II developed primarily as a direct result of America's Marshal plan. Africa never had any such aid.

India is believed to have had roughly 24% of the world GDP in 1700s, around the time Britishers started coming in to it. By time they left it was less that 4%. Africa didn't even had that kind of luxury. It was sparsely populated and most trade and civilization was only in the costal areas of the continent. The hinterlands were undeveloped and unexplored.

  Jauhari posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
Wow!  I feel honored to read your post.  You are obviously very well informed.  Allow me to ask you a question if I may.   How can you help a group of people that will not accept help?  How can you get a group of people to take control of their lives and be self supportive?  You see, in rebellion, the blacks will not work because they want the U.S. Government to take care of them with foodstamps and a monthy welfare check.  Their excuse is, since the government brought their ancestors here, they must support them.  Now the slave that won their freedom certainly didn't feel this way.  They were hard working people even after they had won their freedom.  The truth is that slavery is still happening today.  The U.S. doesn't use blacks in this country but we use the poorest people in other countries.  We use the poorest people of China, India, and other countries because we know that the desperate people will work so cheap.  The U.S. will even hire children in other countries as slave labor.  Slavery is still in effect.

  Silhouette posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
> Slavery is an African custom. 

Slavery was also a Roman and Greek custom. Though I don't know if Egyptian islamic slavery (i.e. African) predates the Roman/Greek. White people, especially Americans, several of whom were sold into bondage themselves, were no strangers to slavery.

  Pravalika Nanda posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
Oh no, how embarrassingly long.


  Kris posted Re:I would like to hear anyone's opinion on this. on 7 mnths ago
"Everyone seems to want to take sides with the blacks, in the U.S,. because of slavery"

>>>> Who? We don't even have time to sort out the regional differences amongst ourselves. Besides, bad troll ! :---))

  FameUnlimited posted Re:I would like to hear anyone's opinion on this. on 7 mnths ago
I strongly believe we should really stop discussions like this featuring blacks, whites, racisms etc.  My sincere request to all my fellow human beings whoever read this whenever u feel insulted just give them back nicely and forget about it.  If u can't do this just feel pity about their mental status and neglect.  Please be a human from inside and respect each and everyone.  Live happily and let others also live happily.  Spread the love and happiness to the whole world.
  BittuZing posted Re:I would like to hear anyone's opinion on this. on 7 mnths ago
sometimes i wish i had a vagina. *sigh*


  carvaka posted Re:I would like to hear anyone's opinion on this. on 7 mnths ago
> Our prisons are comprised of 90% blacks. 

And that is an indication of what, again?

> Our government pays so much for the blacks in forms of grants and scholarships but the blacks won't take advantage of them.

So tell me Joe, how much does your government pay for the blacks "in forms of grants and scholarships"? Give us some real data.

  BittuZing posted Re:I would like to hear anyone's opinion on this. on 7 mnths ago
blacks are good at sports and entertainment business. 0.00002% of them, actually. The rest 99.9998% are good at stealing and mugging. I've yet to meet a nigger who inspired me.

  flimflam2 posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
"How can the men and women come to America from India, and even at a disadvantage, they become successful?" -- jauhari.

here's how: by designing an immigration policy to admit only those who have qualifications that are in short supply in the u.s. at any time - doctors at one time, engineers at another, nurses, science teachers, and programmers at yet another - just as africans were enslaved and imported for the strength of their bodies and their ability to work in the cotton fields of the south. however, i don't think that the u.s. has ever had an immigration policy to favour cage dancers.

btw, why is your ability to write in your native language - english - so poor? the blacks i've known write much better.

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  Jauhari posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
My ability toi write in my native language (English) is poor?  How so? 

  BladeRunner posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago

His english is poor. Isn't that infact proof he is really an american? 



  flimflam2 posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
"Most blacks have no idea if their ancestors were slaves or not." -- jauhari.

what other kind of ancestor is a black american likely to have? one who arrived in the u.s. in the year 1800 as a visiting professor? 

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  Jauhari posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
My point is that many blacks came to America after slavery was abolished.  Many blacks come to America even today to escape the harsh life of Africa.

  Silhouette posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
yeah, i was wondering the same. as if they the blacks in north america have the choice to even speculate about the profession of their ancestors


  RS-K posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
You are right about Blacks not trying enough and blaming slavery to some extent. However, I am yet to meet a Jew (from Europe oriwho doesn't cry foul over holocaust. Moreover, it is still a fact that Blacks are still discriminated against. That 90% population in the jails, well there is a good chance that many of them are there as a result of discrimination. 

Slavery is long gone, but racism still exists, which is what most of them cry about. Heck, even many Indians who come to America discriminate against Blacks who have been living in America. From what I see, many many black people realize their own mud that they are born into, and seriously try to get out of it. Some succeed, but some are gulped back inside more mud. 

Actually, there are many White people, who live the same way as the ghetto type Blacks, but they are not clubbed as 'White', they are simply called 'White Trash'. Why don't we have similar terms for Blacks? 'Blacks' and 'Black Trash'? But no, we don't and that is the reflection that racism still exists and they bear the most brunt of it. 

On a side note, did you watch the movies Crash and Ed Norton's American History X? Specially the latter was an disturbing eye opener for me.
  Jauhari posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
Blacks are still discriminated against?  So?   If it is true that whites discriminate against blacks, that causes blacks to quit school?  That causes blacks to impregnate 5-10 women and not support any of their children?  That causes the black men not stay with the families they created?    And yes their are many ghetto white people.  They get no pity though.  They are looked down on by the whites and by the blacks.  So?  Racism does exist so what?  Does that mean a person should just give up and not try?  There are many blacks like Jessie Jackson, Farakan (check spelling), Al Sharpton and others that became rich preaching negativity to blacks.  Give me a break!

  BladeRunner posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
people dont go to jail because of discrimination. It is because they commit crimes. Hard work can bring anyone up in life. They take the easy way out by blaming other people for their failures. To some extent they sustain the sterotype of their group by not working hard and getting involved in crimes. The statistics speak for themselves. Trying to be politically correct is just turning away from the real problem.

  sara Boji posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
"people dont go to jail because of discrimination."

=====> Blacks are watched by cops much more than people of other race.

That is why many blacks end up in jail compared to whites.



Read this book first.

  flimflam2 posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
"people dont go to jail because of discrimination." -- bladerunner.

how can you be so sure? i suspect that you're wrong.

flimflam
  BladeRunner posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
I can't be sure but it is a fact that more blacks have a history of crime compared to other races
they can't blame it all on effects of slavery and discrimination
  flimflam2 posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
"I can't be sure but it is a fact..." -- bladerunner.

that's a contradictory statement! you shouldn't claim something as a fact if you can't be sure.

"blacks have a history of crime compared to other races..." -- bladerunner.

that may or may not be true. if i had to, i'd bet that black americans commit crimes at about the same rate as caucasian americans who are in the same economic stratum

poor people are likely to steal more than rich people; oppressed people are more likely than others to flout the law because it's the law that allows others to oppress them in the first place. american blacks have been poor and oppressed until quite recently. it would not therefore be surprising if blacks have historically committed petty crimes at a greater rate than whites.

furthermore, blacks have historically been scrutinized more, and subjected to harsher punishment for petty crimes than caucasians have. 

in my opinion, america's long history of slavery, oppression, and discrimination are the dominant reasons why there are a disproportionate number of blacks in its jails, not any racial predisposition to crime as you imagine. still, i'm no expert on crime or race, and can't be as sure as you are.

i suggest that you read william styron's "the confessions of nat turner." styron, who was caucasian, and died recently, was one of america's most acclaimed writers. he also wrote "sophy's choice." you might also read the autobigraphical "narrative of the life of xxxx, an american slave"; i've forgotten the name of the author. google for it.

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  BladeRunner posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
you are correct. Economic condition forces people to commit crime. Blacks are poorer than other races on the average so their crime rate is more. Doesn't that make sense? It may not be because of their race but 
more blacks are poor -> more blacks commit crime -> lead to more blacks being poor because they choose a career of crime. This is a vicious circle. Instead of trying to come out of this, they blame others for their condition and stay in it. 

Looking at these problems objectively is the only way to solve them. Sometimes we may not like the facts. They may not be politically correct or sensitive. We just have to deal with it. 






  Jauhari posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
Yes poor people are more likely to steal.  That is why they should work for a living.  Do you know colleges give points on entrance exams if a student is black?  Do you know that blacks get more in financial aid because they are black?  Do you know that blacks will apply to college, get finacial aid, never show up for school and keep the money?

  flimflam2 posted Frederick Douglass, an American Slave on 7 mnths ago
the autobiographical book i recommended is "Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave."

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  Seva posted (FF) Re:Frederick Douglass, an American Slave on 7 mnths ago
"Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave."

>>> Isn't he the same guy whose writings and essays on whom Maria recommended as the reading material a few weeks earlier here regarding a debate on the US Civil War and slavery in that country?

  Maria S posted Re: Contemporary Afirican American Intellectuals on 7 mnths ago

Seva,

Yes- I did recommend the writings of Fredercick Douglass...

Here are two of my fav. contemporary African-American Intellectuals and their writings..have been fortunate to listen to both of them...While Dr.Dyson is more firebrand than the mellow Dr. West..they are both great (imo).

The one and only Dr. Cornel West:

http://aalbc.com/authors/cornel.htm

The more controversial..nevertheless always engaging Dr. Dyson.

http://authors.aalbc.com/michaelericdyson.htm

M


*Nice to read the posts by Pravalika, Sihouette, RS-K! 

Kudos Ladies!
  Seva posted Re: Contemporary Afirican American Intellectuals on 7 mnths ago
Thanks Maria for the references - will check them out later.
- Seva



  Jauhari posted Re:Frederick Douglass, an American Slave on 7 mnths ago
Well I recommend the book in titled "Black Cargo".  It explains how Whites and Blacks were sold into slavery.  The whites weren't good workers in the hot sun so the blacks, with their large notrils, were more suited to work in the heat.



  JayZ posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago

A big part of that is because of the racist and biased law enforcement officials who are pre-dominantly white males.

  Jauhari posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
That is clearly not so.  Most police departments demand that the police officers live within the city that they work in.  That way we don't have the problem you just stated.  In a black neighborhood, you have black officers.  In a white neighborhood, you have white officers.  So don't even try to play the race card there.
  carvaka posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
> So don't even try to play the race card there.

You crack me up. You start a thread ranting about the blacks and then you accuse JayZ of playing the race card! 

  jaijui posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
im glad to see the blacks come up  ..but in some areas i have my reservations against them 
nothing wrong   with that..
so wassup with you carvaka man  ?
  carvaka posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
Not much. Bad weekend -- I am supposed to work. And you?
  jaijui posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
this week is like heaven .     .just popped in to CH ..to see wats going on  ...and saw you here  ..work is good  man.... keep at it ..  warna paisey kaisey karogey   ? 





  BladeRunner posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
That is the story the politically correct people would like us to believe. The facts are otherwise. No one wants to admit it out of fear of being labelled a racist. 
Some people just don't want to better their lives. They are ok with the ghetto life and just keep blaming others. Real change can only come about when we admit our shortcomings. 
Be objective about the whole race thing without trying to be nice or mean.
  Silhouette posted Re:I would like to hear anyone on 7 mnths ago
> The facts are otherwise

and you know these facts because you've analyzed them or researched them or experienced them?