I love chennai
started by Impedimenta 3 mnths agoReplies
ANd listen Impedimenta you are a sucker..Chennaites suck.The climate suck,people suck.food sucks,buses suck,Attitude sucks,tamilans suck,AUTOWALAS SUCKKKKKKKKkk,NIGHT LIFE SUCKS,WINE SHOPS SUCK,HOTELS SUCK, AND LAST NOT THE LEAST Impedimenta SUCKKKKKKKKKSSSSSSSSSSS
what do they suck?
How are you? Did you make some or loose some in this whole financial ordeal?
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b)Attitude problems with opposite sex (especially men)
c) No diveristy with their fixed minds
d)Special Status for women, you got to be joking...take a ECR bus or any local buses where young men even spotting a helpless lady like old or ladies with baby...never offers them a seat...
e) I prefer to live in simplicity definitely not in Chennai
f)Agree in some means...Try Mylapore Saravana Bhavan - South Indian Thali or Vasantha Bhavan South Indian Thali equally for lesser price
g)Bothering crows...peacocks where did you find them???
h) Landmark is the best I personally prefer Bangalore for bookstores
i)Marina Beach stinks...besant nagar now crowded
j)Dirty temples not maintained...except for few like Kapali Shiva Temple (Mylapore) and few Vyshnavite Temples...rest stinks...
k) Agree never argues here...Karu is giving good face shows along with smiling Vizhi and Stalin...
l)Cannot comment, do not know...Pune is much better in Technological renaissance also Bngalore
m) Writing in Tamil and living in Tamil is not good education
n) With reservations policies on high...the sc/st's are making the moolah wherever they can...cannot beleive that you actually let them needle you...
o) Cricket euphoria is all India
So for you sucker who is loving chennai do not come back home stay in your hell of heaven.
Anthrone (to bother)
===> One time I saw the Pallavan Transport Bus driver who did not wait for an old lady to take her own time to get off the bus.
Honesly: I hate Chennai
a) Language sucks too boisterous and evidently loud not even pleasant, they cannot spell sha, sa, dha...and others
b)Attitude problems with opposite sex (especially men)
c) No diveristy with their fixed minds
d)Special Status for women, you got to be joking...take a ECR bus or any local buses where young men even spotting a helpless lady like old or ladies with baby...never offers them a seat...
e) I prefer to live in simplicity definitely not in Chennai
f)Agree in some means...Try Mylapore Saravana Bhavan - South Indian Thali or Vasantha Bhavan South Indian Thali equally for lesser price
g)Bothering crows...peacocks where did you find them???
h) Landmark is the best I personally prefer Bangalore for bookstores
i)Marina Beach stinks...besant nagar now crowded
j)Dirty temples not maintained...except for few like Kapali Shiva Temple (Mylapore) and few Vyshnavite Temples...rest stinks...
k) Agree never argues here...Karu is giving good face shows along with smiling Vizhi and Stalin...
l)Cannot comment, do not know...Pune is much better in Technological renaissance also Bngalore
m) Writing in Tamil and living in Tamil is not good education
n) With reservations policies on high...the sc/st's are making the moolah wherever they can...cannot beleive that you actually let them needle you...
o) Cricket euphoria is all India
So for you sucker who is loving chennai do not come back home stay in your hell of heaven.
Anthrone (to bother)
a) Language sucks too boisterous and evidently loud not even pleasant, they cannot spell sha, sa, dha...and others
>>> What next? English is guttural!? Inuit languges don't have a word for pizza!? Can we get any shallower than this? This is part of the problem. Every one of these discussions devolves into regional/linguisitc chauvinism, without objectively looking at what ails India as a whole. It is not though other Indian cities exemplify great- heck, even a reasonable standard of living. Bangalore and Bombay are infrastructure disasters. Let's not even talk about clean water, sewage systems, clean air for the masses. Let's face it: India has a *long* way to go, before any chest thumping about any city or region. Frankly, outside of the media's imagination- where fantasy allows you to think everyone is living in the cote d'azur- that pretty much seems out of reach.
I know Shanghai is a good model. But did you know that Shanghai built 3000 sky scapers in a decade while China added 30 million to the illeterate list? I don't see a 'good' model out there for infrastructure issues. Do you have any?
More than anything else, the frustration for me personally is the fancy talk implying first world status among the "elite set" oblivious to the reality surrounding them. On top of it, we have the foolishness of "Bombay is Frankfurt and Bangalore is Santa Clara" nonsense which is quite embarrassing when you act ually see these places.
Let's see the efforts:
Multiple line highways - Yes, good idea, but with gasoline running out in 4-6 decades (peak oil production should be within 23 years per experts), alternate energy powered mass transit can only make suburb moves. Golden Quadrilateral was a good idea, but I don't think even 30% was completed. UPA government won't proceed at the same pace as NDA.
Privatized building & maint: Isn't it already happening in large scale?
Satellite townships: See highway part above. In today's Indian cities, travelling 20 KM is a huge deal, so most companies & people won't move out even if they want to.
My solution is more based on alternate energy, massive power generation (if India needs to grow at 8% for next 10 years, it needs to multiply existing power generation by 10 fold at least) and most importantly, developing 100 or so tier 2 and 3 cities.
The current cities are dying or saturated. Delhi is close to 16 million in pop and surely that's way over what it can support. However, with NCR being the only major metro in the entire Northern half of India ( At least 60% of India lives there), the pressure will keep mounting.
>>> I think this is under way, but don't know how rapidly. The country needed this yesterday.
Satellite townships: See highway part above. In today's Indian cities, travelling 20 KM is a huge deal, so most companies & people won't move out even if they want to.
>>> Actually, this does seem to be happening, but maybe more organically in some cases. Chennai has a bunch of auto related companies outside city limit, as an example. There prettty much is not another alternative, if you want to relive the stress on the cities. The Brits probably developed the 4 big metros, with maybe 20% to 30% of the current population in mind (my guess)
My solution is more based on alternate energy, massive power generation (if India needs to grow at 8% for next 10 years, it needs to multiply existing power generation by 10 fold at least) and most importantly, developing 100 or so tier 2 and 3 cities.
>>> The tier 2 city scenario is unfolding; again, it is a case of businesses headed to these places, from what I see. Is there a pro-active move to promote this move on the part of politicos i.e by developing infrastructure? Doesn't seem that way- not in an organized, concerted sense anyway. With India, it always seems to be catch-up rather than pro-active moves.
The current cities are dying or saturated.
>>> You bet! :(
It seems that you are born & brought up in Tamil Nadu & have decided not to set foot outside Tamil Nadu and that is what human beings usually do; they usually don't move, they just keep hopping from one branch of the tree to the other. People ususally don't change trees. And Tamilians are best at it. Read next few lines & it will make sense.
But being a tamilian myself, I feel that Tamils are so far the most obsessed community with their culture & tradition & till date I have not been able to make myself equally obsessed with the same.
I have stayed in many states of India & unlike punjabis(sardaars to be very specific), marwaaris, rajasthanis etc. , Tamilians are not omnipresent.
In my 2 years of stay in Assam I did not meet single Tamilian, 21 months in Gujarat didn't meet a single tamilian, 10 months in bhopal not a single tamilian, 14 months Punjab(kept moving here & there) not a single tamilian, 15 months in West bengal & I met only 2 tamilians. 13 months in kashmir, not a single tamil(not even an army man). 2 years in & around UP.. not a single tamilian. All the places I mentioned here represent a reasonlably long stay & not just a tourist visit.
I found plenty of other communities far away from their native lands, but that's not true about Tamilians. Tamilians will happily move out of the country, but not go around thier own country. The stereotypes which are inherited from our ancestors & the political drama that Tamil culture is the best & others are not so good; Tamils don't even go out of their state & look at other cultures.
I have been out of TN for last 12 years now & I really don't want to get back, I am happy trying to compare each aspect of Tamail culture with all the cultures around the country & working in my mind to figure out why is every tamilian so obsessed with Tamil culture & not seeing other cultures but just passing ridicules on others. I can tell you one thing for sure, TAMILIAN HOSPITALITY IS BAD as compared to various other cultures in India.
I have a question.
Why is that majority of non-tamil people I met who have stayed in TN for a reasonably long duration don't like our state?
I met a few exceptions also who liked TN & Chennai, but what about majority ?
People actually take a walks & take a bow as well; never to come back. That is how we are, people don't want to come back to TN. Being a tamilian I feel ashamed of it & have been at the recieving end of many ridicules about this.
Have you ever travelled across India & observed other cultures or you have always been pure/ethnic/orthodox tamilian & never came out of the state.
I don't say that your love for Chennai is wrong, it's good that you love the place where you live. But don't be biased & towards your own culture; we just constitute around 20% of india's population & stope thinking that the rest 80% is sub-par with Tamils culture.
Personally I have love for otherplaces has grown stronger over time as compared to Tamil Nadu.
Please do reply whenever you have time or read this & do mention what places in India have you stayed (& not visited).
Wating for you reply.
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Thanks
Henry
====> There is some truth to it.
I was in Uttranchal two years ago.
I came across some families which would feed strangers who were on their way to holy places.
>>> wrt to non-tamilians in TN - there is a significant telugu population in madras, marwari business folks in interior TN and so on, all of whom proudly call themselves TN residents and well-integrated into the communities they live in.
Being a tamil myself, there is huge lot of cultutral difference between rest of India & ours & this is one reason many tamils are not ready to accept this cultural difference.
I think by saying "well-integrated" you are to some extent agreeing to my point that one can find people of non-native TN origins in TN, & these would be the same communities which one can find in all other parts of India as well. My point is that why is Tamil population or people of TN origin (for that matter to some extent kannadigaas as well) are not present in other parts of India.
I do agree that they are present in Mumbai & are scattered in some other parts of this country as well. But why aren't we guys omnipresent. If you talk about marwaris, they are present all around India and even in smaller tier 2 tier 3 cities of india & not just their native lands(rajasthan/gujarat).
Whereas tamilians are just present in tier 1 cities & that too the concentration has increased after the recent IT/economic boom in India. But this is not true for other communities. They have been in various parts of the country since long. And you cannot disagree to this.
One very common observation: My work requires me to visit many banks & talk to not just one, but a few pople in the bank to get the job done. I am primarily involved with public sector banks which means that the employees are trasnferred all over India. But even in the banks I did not meet as many Tamil people as compared to the number of people from other communities who were non-natives of that area. Most easily recognisible are the sardaars & for rest other we need to talk & then come to know.
I have heard people praising other communities like marwaris, some pandis communities form UP, kashmiri people, assamese people, even malyaalis as well but I have never come across a person who has ever praised a Tamil person. That means people don't know much about us & haven't communicated with us.
Henry
Chennaites figured a way to keep the traffic flowing in that massive traffic jam of 365 days in T Nagar . HYD can't figure out how to travel a mile in an hour on straight road on Bajara Hills.
Reply is nowhere close to the topic. Keep up the truth.
Henry
>>> that is relatively simple to understand. people go where economic opportunities present themselves. most diasporic tamilians in india are economic migrants and so you find them in the bigger cities. why is establishing a large presence in all regions of india important?
"but I have never come across a person who has ever praised a Tamil person."
>>> why do you care?
From your comment "why do you care" it seems as if you have always been in Tamil Nadu or in their comapny all throughout. You would definitely care when people would pass comments on you or your community & not just casual pranks but some cultural jokes, which we since our childhood had been passing on almost all the non-tamils whom we met.
The econoimic standpoint being a reason of migrating is a tru fact since the human race started. I am sure, usage of the word "greener pastures" started from the literal meaning & not from just economic point of view. Going by the economic perspective, I didn't get the point very clearly, do you want to say that Chennai or as a matter of fact Tamil community had been self sufficeint till date & that is why we have very less migrants. And suddenly after the economic boom in India we started moving. That is definitely not the case.
I agree with you that large presence of tamils all across India is not important at all, but even reasonable presence is missing.
How long have you stayed in Delhi ? I have been there for a bot more than 2 years, & trust me I really didn't feel that Delhi has a significant number of tamils.
Henry
>>> that's your problem. too needy. as for denigrating others through cultural jokes, you've been brainwashed. in the twenty or so years that i lived in india, i've found tamilians to be more the victims of crass cultural stereotyping than perpetrators of the same. we've been through all this on CH millions of time (lots of water has flown under these bridges) and it will take a lot to get me going about this, but since you seem to be new and appear to be needy, i thought i should point it out.
"Going by the economic perspective, I didn't get the point very clearly, do you want to say that Chennai or as a matter of fact Tamil community had been self sufficeint till date & that is why we have very less migrants.<"/i>
>>> tamilians have lived in bombay and delhi in large numbers for quite a while now. they went there as economic migrants, learned the local language, and thrived. i was trying to answer your question of why you don't see them outside of TN. i have not lived in delhi for any sustained period but did spend four years in bombay. when i lived in india, i used to visit delhi frequently and always found large tamilian enclaves in janakpuri, greater kailash and a few other places. perhaps the situation has changed and it's possible that younger tamilians in search of better economic opportunities prefer moving out of india rather than moving within india.
I completely agree that tamils are at usually at the recieving end of most of these cultural jokes, but have you ever thought why.
I never saw my nears & dears, even not so nears & dears mixing very well with people of other communities(specially the north indians).
There has never been a mix(a good mix) between tamils & others. I am not sure whats the reason for this but I believe we all are responsible, putting aside the political motives & the agenda, I feel we don't mix well with others. Or maybe there are huge cultural differences because of which even others don't want to mix well with us. But it is only tamils that the other communities do not mix well.
For sure there are many tamils in delhi & mumbai, just that I had never been to those areas much to see & meet the tamil population living there.
I didn't get you when you said that I seem to be new... new to what ?
Henry