Brahmins - lowest per capita income group
started by sara Boji 3 mnths agoReplies
I am not talking about fair, unfair, discrimination, etc. in the current times, but seriously, this is a fact.
The ones who studied harder and got higher positions fared better. Very very few went into business. Others stayed where they were or worse. And in-the-middle ones, who could have fared well given equal opportunities, were hit by the SC/ST rules.
do u believe in destiny?
No it is not destiny. It is just change of times and outlook. Their old way of thinking (that they will be taken care of) doesn't fit in new scheme of things. While they were busy eating kheers during shradh mahinas, others were making policies against them.
>>> It's like you trying to discuss and understand the difference between soul and God.
>>> You don't expect me to give a logical response to above stupid premise.
"why should govt be considerate towards a specific set of ppl that have had the advantage of being at top of the heap for so long?".... (Prop.)
>>> That sort of argument, in favor of quotas to non-brahmin castes, I had heard from totally dumb people (the type with whom I don't discuss things requiring any proper reasoning). I was trying to exclude you from that group, but it seems you are not interested in that.
since you're logically challenged, let me state what every reasonable person knows and would acknowledge:
backward castes and SC/STs are truely disadvantaged in india owing to our insidious caste system over the last few millenia. there was no such baggage for brahmins..maybe they're being discriminated against in the last 20 yrs but that's not enough for them to be considered disadvantaged as a group...they're just not being institutionally favored anymore (even that's a stretch) and same goes for other forward castes. if they're living in penury, it's not the govt's job to take care of them as a group. they might be part of what you'd call 'economically backward' group and should govt decide to help that group, then they can lay claim.
I watched it. So is it your position that a Brahmin doing physical labor is somehow demeaning to that person and constitutes "poor plight"?
That it is ok for other castes to labor under far worse conditions because they've always been doing so, but Brahmins on account of their birth are somehow entitled to a better life and therefore the Sarkaar should step in and help them over everyone else?
Unkil, you never fail to amaze me.
>>> should the Govt. continue with caste based quotas and reservations to raise the standard of poor people?
That it is ok for other castes to labor under far worse conditions because they've always been doing so, but Brahmins on account of their birth are somehow entitled to a better life and therefore the Sarkaar should step in and help them over everyone else?
Unkil, you never fail to amaze me.
Even ignoring the cock and bull story about rickshaw pullers in Patelnagar, the per capita income figures (assuming they are monthly figures) cited for Karnataka look false. In 2006-07, the per capita income of 60% of Karnataka's population which is engaged in agriculture is Rs.10,500 pa (i.e. Rs 875 per month) whereas that of the overall population was Rs. 34,250 pa (Rs 2,854 per month).
OTOH, the weighted average (representing abt 75% of the state's population) of the monthly per capita figures cited in the story works out to less than Rs 900 per month which can be true only if there is a large, unnamed sixth group with a sufficiently huge per capita figure to pull up the weighted average 3 times over.
When was the last time you took a class in statistics?
>>> Before you were even born!
Mmmff..Exactly. I'd recommend a refresher course so you stop getting carried away by outliers in a normal distribution.
In any case, I don't quite see the point of viewing poverty through a casteist lens or feeling extra sorry for poor Brahmins. Everyone below the poverty line deserves to be targeted for economic betterment and not just Brahmins alone.
Your main gripe is against caste-based reservations and this lamentation about poor Brahmins is only a roundabout argument against those. But you're quite wrong. The solution is to have some affirmative action for the truly poor (with adequate, thoughtful safeguards for verifying the economic status).
>>> If I hadn't read the rest of your post, it would appear that you came up with a new title / relation, substituting unkil with Mmmff.
Btw, it is unfair to hold me solely responsible for the lack of results in your hunt for online love and intimacy on CH. While I wonly call you Unkil - which has no ageist connotation (one can be Unkil even in one's twenties), you actually drag in your age when you respond to rhetorical questions with snappy putdowns such as "Before you were even born".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Xgc4ljHKM
Remove the God, Religion based clasiification... & concentrate on people based on their income, financial status is what is needed. As long as such surveys & identification of people on religion exists...there is not gonna be any change. Education must be forced for all children..& the parents must be forced to send their kids to school... Things might not change for the parents much..but atleast the future of the kids will be more secure & better compared to what the parents are facing at this stage. Charity will just make them poorer.... Those people need new ways, means of living, education, training on new skills (keeping up with the times)... & initiatives like what the Nobel prize winner, Mohd.Yunus & Grameen Bank did in Bangladesh.
I wonder why the Baba Ramdev, pramukhswami maharaj, murari bappa, sri sri ravi shankar, etc dont go & help the poor... they seem more interesting in serving the ones who have money to offer to them. If there are really about serving, protecting & promoting hinuism..then they should be focusing on the plights of these brahmins. But then... isnt religion a money manking business...why would someone want to do business with the poor where returns are missing.
Mr. Herleru said the per capita income of Christians was Rs. 1,562, Vokkaligas Rs. 914, Muslims Rs. 794, Scheduled Castes Rs. 680, but that of Brahmins was the lowest with Rs. 537 in the State. He said that 50 per cent of the rickshaw pullers in Patel Nagar of Delhi were Brahmins and 44 per cent of the children from the caste were dropouts at the primary school level and 36 per cent at the high school level.
He said that while 45 per cent of the people across the country belonged to the below-the-poverty line, it was 55 among Brahmins. Mr. Herleru said that the federation had the desire to extend the scholarship to other sections, but only after meeting the needs of Brahmin children.
The numbers quoted in the news report are from different entities. The per capita income was culled out from the note in the Karnataka state assembly. So we can assume that pertains to Karnataka corroborated by the fact that it talks about Vokkaligas a dominant backward caste (of which Deve Gowda is one) of Karnataka.
The other numbers are from sources not directly quoted in the news report. And this news report is about a meeting of different Brahmin organisations.
What's your point - brahmins can't be poor?
I have personally seen / known some of the poorest people in villages were / are from brahmin caste.
Btw, it so happens that the govt's wrong policies on quotas and reservations, which are caste based, have led to further casteism and stratification of society on the basis of caste.
This is the best joke.
. So you think if there are no qutoas and reservations, suddenly the society would turn caste blind.
I'm amused by the critique that the government's policies based on caste leads to extra stratification of society based on caste.
Thanks to the Govt. for bringing awareness of their "culture" among the people through the so-called temporary quota system.
BTW, it is high time the Brahmins start doing some physical labor or such work. All these Brahmins do is play stupid cricket - calling it exercise or exercise their fingers in front of computers.
====> Once I saw a matrimonial ad. in the Hindu newspaper. It went like this: Inter caste marriage parents invite alliance for their daughter. Caste no bar. SC/ST need not respond."
"I'm amused by the critique that the government's policies based on caste leads to extra stratification of society based on caste."
As uppili already pointed Indian reservation system did have a pervasive impact on society.
Let me state few things so can i can continue with the argument.
I am against caste system and would like to see it go at the earlist possibe time.
Res
let us get back to original issue.
What is your solution to Brahmin poverty?
Is it taking out reservations? It did not help sc/st. Why would it help Brahmins?
Is it to classify Brahmins as a group of people needing more help than Sc/ST?
Would Brahmins not be ashmed to call themselves most backward than even SC/ST?
If your intent is draw attention of private donors, you do not govt help. No body prevents it in India or US. How successful are you? How many successful Brahmins (they are more than 100k in US) have you contacted? How many supported your cause?
Final Note: merit cum menas is a patently shameless policy to deny SC/STs education. You know as well as any one that SC/STs are backward and do not do well in high school education at this time. By putting merit as criteria, you wish to enhance the advantages of all ready developed castes and take away any possibility of SC/STs getting a chance through reservations.
Merit cum means is not even a sugar coated ploy. It is a blunt denial of reservations. I do not need your response to final note but would like to hear your answers to my earlier questions.