Abortion Plea - Accept / Not accept
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peacegazer posted Re:Abortion Plea - Accept / Not accept on 3 weeks ago- Reply
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But the point shared by PM , I cannot support at all. Even though we are claiming that India is a devloping country but I agree only in some areas only.
Come to the point of that, it is absolutely wrong giving the permission for an abortion according to the parents decision. This will lead to misuse of the law(Even though the laws in enforced, it is happening across India).
Any thoughts
I think this time round the High court made a good judgement considering that the possibilities that there is a chance that the kid might not be as medically unfit as claimed by Mehta's doctor. The media doesnt give full details of the family as to how many kids they have & what has been the woman's past pregnancy history. We also dont know whether this foetus was a boy or girl child. Court should look at a possibility of whether there is a gender bias...cause you never know what some parents might be willing to do in the name of gender bias. Also in India...in states like Punjab, Gujurat, AP & Maharashtra there have been substantial amount of gender based abortions by doctors who are an insult to their profession. This case might not have really done full justice to the Mehtas (if their claim is genuine) but was more in lines for a hugher population where a verdict could become the excuse for aborting selective gender foetus.
If the Mehtas want medically fit kids...they can always offer to pick a healthy homeless kid waiting to be adopted. That would really be a great cause. You cant just blame a medically unfit foetus (like Mehtas claim) ..a medically unfit foetus can also be because of medically unfit parents.
Speaking of choice to keep or not keep, IMO, in this new age of education and safety measures, both parties loose the right to choose after commiting the act driven by testronal fire.
First perverism, then testronal fire. Are you and Nisha engaged in some kind of competition to revolutionalize the English language?
My mom's colleague professor has a daughter who had some physical/mental issues by birth. The parents could not have another child because she consumed more than 4 times their time, efforts, resources, etc. Both of them loved her We met her when she was around 16. She looked like she was 26-30. She could not speak or hear and behaved like a kid most of the time but she was quite interested in boys and liked their friendship. We spent a few hours with her. Initially there are feelings of extreme compassion and care, at times her behavior seems cute, however as time goes by it starts getting stubborn, unmanageable, embarrassing and even exasperating. After spending the evening with her and seeing her interactions with everyone, we came away feeling extreme compassion for her parents, especially her mother because her dad sort of kept to himself. The amount of patience such women must have is unfathomable and whenever I had met the lady earlier on (before meeting her daughter) I had a different impression of her.....I thought she was not the most organized or not the most efficient, bla bla....however after seeing her interacting with her daughter and after hearing of the stories she had to deal with on a daily basis, including her total helplessness if the girl gets interested in boys more than she would be able to manage, my impression of her changed completely. I knew the real mother then. And I was sorry I had misjudged her earlier. We heard after a year or so that the lady died. No idea how the father copes with his adult daughter who is unaware of her gender restrictions or protocols. These people belonged to a struggling, middle class family and obviously had a desire to have a healthy child. Imagine how they must feel when they would see other healthy ace geniuses and their child isnt even normal! And lastly, people procreate because of this reason too (the oldest reason) unlike the popular belief they do so because of some testronal fire.
Point being - dont be so sure of what the mother should or should not have done. Unless you are in that position, these things cant be judged. It is easier said than done. Just my 1 cent
Nisha, after all these years, I'm glad to read that you're saying certain issues and people cannot be judged!
I know nothing of this case and do not care to.
The courts did the right thing as otherwise where does it end. If today it is the Mehta's tomorrow it will be someone with a kid who is born missing a limb with a parent claiming hardship.
They meed to change the law and have some provision for those people whose foetuses have things like spina bifida etc that have a extremely clear and poor prognosis and where the babies suffer and die within a few days and hours and medically there is nothing that they can do. Parents should have the choice in those cases providing the doctors agree that there is not much point in continuing with a pregnancy.
In the mehta's case its a phyisical defect not a mental one with a lot of uncertainty over the future physical prognosis. Many doctors say it could be good. Other children with same condition have had operations and access to medical care and have thrived. Now the guys are even getting free medical assistance. I personally think that for them it will probably all end up well.
Which is why we have a justice,legal system which represents all of us out there...& they must have weighed in all possibilities & ascertained all facts before reaching the conclusion. If the HC would have found Mehta's case stronger, surely the verdict would have gone in Mehta's favor.
You always have new cases crop up every once in a while that need a revisitation of the law. I am personally not opining anything here; I am only questioning how we can question a normal mother's decision regarding her own and her baby's future.
Nisha - Great point.
It reminds me of a new Ram Gopal Varma movie's slogan I saw over the weekend. "It is superstition until it happens to YOU'. The same way, arm chair commentary about how 'choice' should not be given to parents is good until it happens to YOU.. when your life changes due to a special needs child.
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All the time.
All the struggles, all the incredible pain, all the challenges...all the rewards.
M
It is this kind of needless state interventionism that drives people into taking the law into their own hands. The Mehtas' story will be a cautionary tale for others who might have thought of sticking to the legal route.
They are obviously better of dealing with their private crises in their own way, shielded from the prying eyes of the law and social busybodies who are more concerned about furthering their personal philosophies than anything else.
Again, in all likelihood the baby's condition may not be so bad, and if they take an untoward decision under such circumstances, they must live with that burden too. But point being it ought to be parents' decision
The lady died a premature death. She was drained of life by the life she gave birth to. If that does not resonate with farcial reason, nothing will. You should have one to have a say anything on what a mother who had/has one should or should not do. It is easier said than done. And being a mom is different from being a nurse; in case you are one and are priding on that fact. Anyways...I am off now.
It DOES resonate with farcial reason, no?
It may or it may not - I'll know if someone can define the word first. Any guesses? Clearly it's not just a typo for farcical.
Kudos to the decision, and Kudos to the Indian Judges (in general!)
Obvisously, there are corrupt Judges and flawed judgements (imo) occasionally., but, in general...I would like to appreciate Indian Judges (no matter which court..lower or HCs or SC!)
I guess Law school is not as "glamorous" like medical school or engineering...so there is no kiiier(!)- clammering to become a lawyer (and therefore no lakhs or crores being paid to get into this profession...when I look back...I know a zillion doctors, engineers personally- but only a very few lawyers....but day after day, these unsung heroes do seem to be ethical (again for the most part) and do their job.. I am impressed indeed!)
*The CHers with owl's eyes- please feel free to correct me..about the money and ethics part (note, I said there always exceptions).
In my observations (for a long time!), am always pleasantly surprised to see how wise and humane Indian Judges are are (as long as the laws would allow)...and agree with them in the majority decisions...they seem to be
caste-blind, religion-blind, and all other segments-blind and do the best they can for the petitioners...when they have such power in their hands to change lives.
Cheers to the Indian Judges!
M
I am not sure how much money they many
Sure Ms.Scribbly! I would.
Can I adopt you? You are kind of fiesty, I like fiesty....As you can see by now...I don't believe in age discrimination or discrimination against people with disabilities. I am willing to adopt anyone who offers themselves or their babies to me:)
*But, before these parents offer me their child on a platter...I would think that they would like to see how deformed this baby is when it is born...who knows, all the baby may need is surgery and would be okay. I would be glad to see, if some medical specialist I know can help out.
*I am as strongly pro-choice as it gets *(believe in the fundamental reproductive rights/choices of a woman).
However, in this case- I am convinced that the court decision is totally justified.
M
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Here is the huge difference:
The partial birth abortions (or third trimester terminations of pregnancy) in the US- is performed ONLY when the life of the mother is medically imminent in danger.
NOT for any reasons-related to the fetus/unborn child.
In this case...the termination was exclusively petitioned stating that the child MAY have a congenital disease. In that case- at least- easily hundreds and thousands of third trimester terminations have to be performed every single day.
These days- OB/GYNS run from performing third second and third trimester abortions/terminations like the plague! It would be hard to find someone who would perform the procedure by choice.
*Also hospitals/clinics have extremely strict guidelines and Ethics Panels with other Physicians who review the procedure....so it is very rare...with all the legal hastles and again- the ONLY exception is SAVING the life of the mother- who may be in imminent danger.
M
I would recommend that- people who are not familiar with this procedure (how it is done), do look up detailed info. *Most doctors who are pro-choice and perform abortions in the first trimester routinely will tell you...how different the procedure itself is during the first few weeks and towards the end.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial-Birth_Abortion_Ban_Act
M
You are NOT pro-chioce. Just admit it.
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I thought you are smarter than this...to make statements, you have no clue about.
Do you have any proof that I am not?
I am for terminations of preg- until the 22nd week.
After that...especially after the 24 th week- I believe/know it is live child (it can survive outside the uterus of a woman)...Yes, I am against taking the life of a child which can survive on its own...in the most gruesome way possible, except to save the life of the mother.
M
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